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jnoflane2

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Groover wrote:

The thing that jumped out at me was all the ice on the ground! It takes a determined man to work on his truck when it is that cold.

Your solution looks great to me. I hope that you are happy with it. You might want to upgrade the shocks at some point to help handle the heavier loads.


Yeah, yesterday and today were the first days since early December we have had temps above 50 degrees and I took advantage of it.

Yeah, I thought about new shocks. I have Billsteins on the front. Wonder if I should spend the dough on those for the back, or is there a more cost conscious solution?


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spoon059 wrote:

jnoflane2 wrote:

I am NOT buying a 3/4 or 1 ton that rides rough when empty.

No comment on what you did, but wanted to address this... Have you driven a modern 3/4 or 1 ton truck? My coil spring 2500 rides very smooth when empty and tires aired down to 65ish. One of the guys that we camp with has a newish Ford F350 dually that rides smooth as glass... it was almost unbelievable how compliant the ride was.

20 years ago there was a huge disparity in ride comfort. You'd be hard pressed to tell a significant difference in ride comfort with modern trucks.

Back to your topic though...


Yeah, I traded in a 2 year old, 2012 Ram 2500 for this 1500, because the rough ride..... My old man worked on cattle ranches until the day he died and all the cowboys wanted one ton trucks... Pop would never drive anything over than a 1/2 ton. Being over 50 now... I understand.

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QCMan wrote:

I didn't see where you upgraded the parts that actually do the work, the axle shafts and bearings. Sorry but I cannot understand how adding more weight to the vehicle can increase the payload. All you are doing is compensating for the overload. Not any safer at all!


I've already said I'm not going to overload the truck.

At lunch today, I picked up the TT out of storage to bring to the house to install heater pads on all three of my tanks, so that we can use the camper for a ski cabin. (It is now a true four season camper.)

Anyway, pulling the camper the 10 miles home was a dream. The truck and the stability and the ride are way, way better.

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Grit dog wrote:

Jnoflane2, nice work! I’m sure will be a Uuuuge improvement!

PS, don’t mind the haterz...
Interested to hear your take after loading it up on a trip.
Cheers!



I also can't wait to load it up to max GVWR, with two bikes in the bed and see how she does.

Yeah... I have way too many years towing and experience to pay attention to the haterz. I know what I need and doing my setup the way I want it.


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Grit dog wrote:

Question, since you’ve now used 2 different types of the inside the springs airbags.
How much actual load capacity do you think they provide?
Aka, were the old ones pumped up in the first pic?

I’ve now got a coil spring Ram 2500. Brodozer lookin thing. Don’t really need more suspension capacity for most of what I do but it’s got a 6”/4” lift. The rear coils are OE sitting on 4” spacers and truck is leveled. Being rather cushy for a 2500 it also gets a little Carolina squat just hooking my enclosed trailer. Handles great but looks ghey.

Don’t really want the expense of adding real bags and spacers for what little extra support I need. And these bags may be the ticket if they increase the initial spring rate enough


The first set of bags were the basic 1000lb'ers from Air Lift and they made a HUGE, positive difference on my little 1500, but it still wasn't enough. This second set of airbags are the Air Lift 1000HD's, that supposedly provide additional carrying weight by 2,500lbs. Both air bags are the exact same size and the material looks the same, as well as the thickness, so I don't really know what they have done to make the HD so much stronger.

I really can't answer your question, cause I haven't towed the trailer with a full load yet.

I do think it was important for me to add the HD Progressive springs, as I am not confident that only air bags would have given me the firm foundation I was seeking.

I do think a set of 1000HD's on your truck would definitely eliminate the squat. It did on mine.

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LITEPHIL wrote:

Overloaded. Need a bigger truck to be safe and within numbers. No hate


LITEPHIL wrote:

Overloaded. Need a bigger truck to be safe and within numbers. No hate


NOPE.... not overloaded.

Trailer on the hitch is 450lbs, two bikes are 650lbs.

That totals 1,100lbs. I'm actually under.



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QCMan wrote:

I didn't see where you upgraded the parts that actually do the work, the axle shafts and bearings. Sorry but I cannot understand how adding more weight to the vehicle can increase the payload. All you are doing is compensating for the overload. Not any safer at all!
I don't think the parts that actually do the work are overloaded. Just the soft springs. That's the case for my similar setup anyhow.


Yeah, the boys above don't understand, but you clearly do. The OEM Ram springs are weak and compress easily with even 1000 lbs in the bed.


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bguy wrote:

Did you get rid of the squishey P tires?
Sorry I did not research.



Yeah, I am sure the haterz will come out of the woodwork on this topic as well.

I am running....

275/65R20's with a 127 weight rating, 10 ply.

When not towing, a full contact patch is achieved at 37psi and the tires ride great. When towing I up the psi to 65 and they do great.

The awesome thing about these tires... I have 43,000 miles on them and not a single flat. I tow this trailer WAY in the backcountry, usually having to engage 4x4 to get to some of the places I enjoy. Tires have been great.

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Specifications for the OPs TT

I am not a hater.
I do like to deal with facts though.

I am going to get some popcorn now.[emoticon]



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Huntindog wrote:

Specifications for the OPs TT

I am not a hater.
I do like to deal with facts though.

I am going to get some popcorn now.[emoticon]



Yep... as I said, 450lbs on my hitch.

I actually pay attention to load leveling, especially with a single axle trailer.


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your a brave man coming on rv.net and show how you increased your 1/2 ton any brand trucks rear suspension capability to better control your load. However without any actual scaled rear axle weights I doubt your overloaded with that small single axle TT and two lightweight dirt bikes. GVWR doesn't carry the load in the bed but the trucks RAWR numbers do. Looks like a good rear suspension upgrade.
I added Sumo Springs to the rear suspension on the wifes 1500 chevy crew cab 4wd. Even with a 1140 lb hitch load the truck is still 400 lbs under its 4000 RAWR.
Maybe you can get a mod to size your pictures to the proper scale where we can see what ya got.


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