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Posted: 02/03/21 07:53pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

jnoflane2 wrote:

Yeah... nearly all other forums I frequent, auto size pics.... this forum should start doing the same.


That would take an upgrade. Something that will never happen here.

Try Postimages.com It will resize them for you.


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Grit dog wrote:

Jnoflane2, nice work! I’m sure will be a Uuuuge improvement!

PS, don’t mind the haterz...
Interested to hear your take after loading it up on a trip.
Cheers!


Best advise so far.

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IdaD wrote:

The main thing is to air down those rear tires a bit when you're not loaded up.


When empty I run 50 psi in the front and 45 psi in the rear.
Its a HUGE improvement in the way it rides.

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jnoflane2 wrote:

NOPE.... not overloaded.

Trailer on the hitch is 450lbs, two bikes are 650lbs.

That totals 1,100lbs. I'm actually under.


Thank you for posting the facts.

Folks are quick to jump the gun, and claim overload. As a fellow 1500 owner, I can say the rear would sag if you looked at them wrong...

Some trucks on the other hand, are so stiffly sprung they look "safe" when truly overloaded. My old 2500 V10 at DOUBLE the payload limit, sags less than the 1500 at payload. Looks are deceiving.

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jnoflane2 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

Specifications for the OPs TT

I am not a hater.
I do like to deal with facts though.

I am going to get some popcorn now.[emoticon]



Yep... as I said, 450lbs on my hitch.

I actually pay attention to load leveling, especially with a single axle trailer.


.........
437# DRY hitch WT. Add a battery and you are over 450#.

There are only two ways that TT can have 450# hitch WT. 1. You are going camping with an empty TT.
2. You have it loaded heavy in the rear..... Which would explain why you feel it is sometimes dangerous. (TW too light)



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QCMan wrote:

I didn't see where you upgraded the parts that actually do the work, the axle shafts and bearings. Sorry but I cannot understand how adding more weight to the vehicle can increase the payload. All you are doing is compensating for the overload. Not any safer at all!


OH NANCY NANCY! He did upgrade the parts that are doing the work. He put new springs on. Did he raise the rating of his truck listed on the plaque? No he did not! He did however increase his trucks capabilities and usefulness.
It is highly unlikely that he will ever load or haul heavy enough for his axles or bearings even to notice.

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What load range are your tires?


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specta wrote:

Try Postimages.com It will resize them for you.
You don't have to resize them. Just add a height or width parameter as Burbman did:

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never mind

* This post was edited 02/04/21 08:49am by shelbyfv *





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Huntindog wrote:

jnoflane2 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

Specifications for the OPs TT

I am not a hater.
I do like to deal with facts though.

I am going to get some popcorn now.[emoticon]



Yep... as I said, 450lbs on my hitch.

I actually pay attention to load leveling, especially with a single axle trailer.


.........
437# DRY hitch WT. Add a battery and you are over 450#.

There are only two ways that TT can have 450# hitch WT. 1. You are going camping with an empty TT.
2. You have it loaded heavy in the rear..... Which would explain why you feel it is sometimes dangerous. (TW too light)
Since the OP seems to have left..... I will finish what I was going to say to benefit others that may not realize just what is involved in towing/camping with a TT.

The OP atated that he has added heat pads to all three tanks....In order to make it a "true 4 season" TT.... Having actually camped in pretty cold temps (below zero), I can tell you that heat pads alone will not do that... In fact the tanks freezing are not the main concern. The water lines will freeze much sooner.... It does no good to have fresh water in the tank, if you cannot use it! Then there is the small single 5 gallon propane supply. Using the furnace in below freezing temps will use that up fast.... But he likely won't be able to use all of it, as the battery will die first! Camping in a TT in cold temps off the grid requires a large propane supply, and a generator to keep the battery charged.
That means more weight.
And since the OP has stated a desire to use this TT in cold temps, and installed the heat pads to try to make it possible....It is logical to assume that he intends to use the on board water system.That means that the water (and it's weight) will be leaving the fresh tank and ending up in the grey/black tanks.
While I do not know exactly how the OPs tanks are layed out... The toilet is in the front. So that is where the black tank is. The kitchen sink is right behind it, so it is a pretty good bet that is where the grey tank is. That means the fresh is probably located towards the rear. His fresh water weighs 256#. When he uses it, that weight will leave the rear of the TT and end up in the front.
This is obviously a problem. In addition many other weights will move around in the course of a trip.

This is why "cutting it close" with the TV is generally a bad thing.
While there are ways to deal with all of the issues, it will limit ones ability to use the unit in a way they may like.

Solutions can be only staying in campgrounds or having items such as propane or even food delivered (door dash)
Not using the onboard water system etc.

In addition the OP stated several times that his truck has a low GVWR. He is assuming that the springs are the limiting factor. This can be an expensive assumption.
There are many parts that go into what the engineers set the GVWR at. They will never disclose just what the weak link is.
It could be a seal in the tranny that is .50 cheaper than the same tranny in a heavier duty truck.... You just don't know.

But in the final anaylisis the OP never stated that he has actually weighed his lashup.
When one is "cutting it close", this is really important.
But it is human nature to avoid things that you would have to deal with if you know about them.

So many will simply not look at these issues and hope it all works out OK.
Some will be lucky. Perhaps they don't camp very much and trade vehicles often... But some will not be lucky.

Happy camping.


* This post was edited 02/05/21 12:02pm by Huntindog *

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