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we love pickups so much they developed their own sub-categories of "light" and "heavy". Throw in marketing, enter the Ford, not light, not even heavy, but "super" duty!

In the real trucking world, yes, they're all light. However, North American market demands 400+ hp trucks that can yank an 18,000 lbs trailer up a grade at 70 mph. So in the power sense an F350 really is "heavy duty" by any standard. i.e. more power than some Class 8s.

I'd personally love a light COE truck, with 4x4. But realize I'm in the 1% enthusiast group, and OEMs won't cater to us.

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RoyJ wrote:

we love pickups so much they developed their own sub-categories of "light" and "heavy". Throw in marketing, enter the Ford, not light, not even heavy, but "super" duty!

In the real trucking world, yes, they're all light. However, North American market demands 400+ hp trucks that can yank an 18,000 lbs trailer up a grade at 70 mph. So in the power sense an F350 really is "heavy duty" by any standard. i.e. more power than some Class 8s.

I'd personally love a light COE truck, with 4x4. But realize I'm in the 1% enthusiast
group, and OEMs won't cater to us.

Here the heavy payloads of these Japanese Trucks are what they are used for. Depends on the Japanese Truck you can yank 20,000- 30,000lbs up a grade, but the one illustrated is a reasonably priced vehicle that can carry a nuch heavier payload than a F350 but a 9,900lb Caravan

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RoyJ wrote:

we love pickups so much they developed their own sub-categories of "light" and "heavy". Throw in marketing, enter the Ford, not light, not even heavy, but "super" duty!

In the real trucking world, yes, they're all light. However, North American market demands 400+ hp trucks that can yank an 18,000 lbs trailer up a grade at 70 mph. So in the power sense an F350 really is "heavy duty" by any standard. i.e. more power than some Class 8s.

I'd personally love a light COE truck, with 4x4. But realize I'm in the 1% enthusiast group, and OEMs won't cater to us.


I like the way they drive too. I see one running around my area that's all built up as a fifth wheel puller. I'd like to ask him what he's done to the motor, if anything. When I was still doing landscaping I test drove a really nice little Fuso 4x4 dump truck. Problem was it was so underpowered it could barely get out of it's own way empty. Towing or hauling a heavy load would have been miserably slow.

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I test drove a really nice little Fuso 4x4 dump truck. Problem was it was so underpowered it could barely get out of it's own way empty. Towing or hauling a heavy load would have been miserably slow.


Yeah, RR, what kind of power are these "light trucks" putting down?

They're cool, but seems all our class 5-7 COE trucks here are pretty neutered in the power department.


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The Fuso, a lowly 161 hp. But, it's meant for efficiency in commercial use, not high performance recreation.

Recreation demands "fun factor". Look at boats - an offshore sports fisher can run 1500 hp, all to catch 3 tunas. A commercial trawler with a 25,000 lbs salmon hold may run a 90hp Perkins.

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rjstractor wrote:

I test drove a really nice little Fuso 4x4 dump truck. Problem was it was so underpowered it could barely get out of it's own way empty. Towing or hauling a heavy load would have been miserably slow.


Yeah, RR, what kind of power are these "light trucks" putting down?

They're cool, but seems all our class 5-7 COE trucks here are pretty neutered in the power department.

Enough to drag a 5000b payload and a 8000lb to 9000lb Caravan at a cruising speed of 60mph

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The Fuso, a lowly 161 hp. But, it's meant for efficiency in commercial use, not high performance recreation.

Recreation demands "fun factor". Look at boats - an offshore sports fisher can run 1500 hp, all to catch 3 tunas. A commercial trawler with a 25,000 lbs salmon hold may run a 90hp Perkins.

That Fuso is only a 3 Litre Diesel, these are 5.2 Diesels
Fuso can go to 480hp, 2300lb ft of torque

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RoyJ wrote:

we love pickups so much they developed their own sub-categories of "light" and "heavy". Throw in marketing, enter the Ford, not light, not even heavy, but "super" duty!

In the real trucking world, yes, they're all light. However, North American market demands 400+ hp trucks that can yank an 18,000 lbs trailer up a grade at 70 mph. So in the power sense an F350 really is "heavy duty" by any standard. i.e. more power than some Class 8s.

I'd personally love a light COE truck, with 4x4. But realize I'm in the 1% enthusiast group, and OEMs won't cater to us.


I like the way they drive too. I see one running around my area that's all built up as a fifth wheel puller. I'd like to ask him what he's done to the motor, if anything. When I was still doing landscaping I test drove a really nice little Fuso 4x4 dump truck. Problem was it was so underpowered it could barely get out of it's own way empty. Towing or hauling a heavy load would have been miserably slow.

A lot of large Japanese Trucks are large 5tg wheel pullers here.

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RoyJ wrote:

The Fuso, a lowly 161 hp. But, it's meant for efficiency in commercial use, not high performance recreation.

Recreation demands "fun factor". Look at boats - an offshore sports fisher can run 1500 hp, all to catch 3 tunas. A commercial trawler with a 25,000 lbs salmon hold may run a 90hp Perkins.

LOL.... then the bass boat crowd with 300 hp...21' bass boats running 90 mph to catch a 6 lb bass.
Seriously tho LTL size trucking industry in the USA uses the newer gen one ton DRW trucks pulling at 35k-38k GCW and carrying 6500-7000 in the bed payloads.

Moving up to a 450/4500 diesels cab/chassis can give the hauler a 8000-8500 lb on a custom haulers bed payload and 45k+ GCW.

Or a 550/5500 diesels cab/chassis for 50k plus GCW and over 10k on the bed payloads.

No need for a Japans trucks here in the USA to pull a RV trailer or a commercial trailer.
We see very few Japans trucks around here but the few in operation are mostly fleet trucks.


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RobertRyan wrote:

RoyJ wrote:

The Fuso, a lowly 161 hp. But, it's meant for efficiency in commercial use, not high performance recreation.

Recreation demands "fun factor". Look at boats - an offshore sports fisher can run 1500 hp, all to catch 3 tunas. A commercial trawler with a 25,000 lbs salmon hold may run a 90hp Perkins.

That Fuso is only a 3 Litre Diesel, these are 5.2 Diesels
Fuso can go to 480hp, 2300lb ft of torque


The one I drove was a 3.9 liter, 140 hp IIRC. (this was about 15 years ago) It could not maintain 60 mph on a 6% grade empty. The 5.2L Isuzus have much more power, but still only half what a new HD diesel pickup has. They might haul 5K and tow 9K on the flat at 60 mph, but on a grade it's 35 mph, right lane, flashers on. I see it all the time with the landscape company trucks. Many of them run a crewcab with a 12' landscape body towing a large tandem axle enclosed trailer so they are probably at about the aforementioned weights. And they are miserably slow on the hills.

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