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Chevy exits ICE engines


Old news. Already posted in this closed thread: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle


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deltabravo wrote:

patperry2766 wrote:

Chevy exits ICE engines


Old news. Already posted in this closed thread: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle
That was the point of my deja vu post.


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I have couple of questions for everybody whining and crying about how the US will never accept E vehicles, solar/wind power, never work for us, we can't change, or if we do change not that fast yada, yada yada.
First, do you remember before it was discovered Freon was destroying the atmosphere? The world is ending! No R12! How can we drive with no AC?! But when we could not get R12, we fixed the AC instead of adding a can. I bet a higher % of cars on the road now have working AC.
Now the major deal; Man or countries, when faced with change, there are 2 choices. Lead or follow but get out of the way. If the rest of the world makes the change what happens to US? Will the rest decide the US has nothing to export but pollution and hate, and refuse to trade with us?




I hear ya. I think there will be challenges ahead for the US on this. I'm not an American but I read constantly on the forums here and various news sources that the US pretty much has a third world grid and very little chance of ever improving it because of some kind of geo-political struggle. I would think though at some point many that are able to will just toss in the towel on connecting to the grid and make their own power. That in itself would probably kind of solve the problem as the utilities can stay with the third world grid approach and many will just become self sufficient with solar and wind. It would probably work.


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We got 3 Christmas cards 1.5 months after the postmark date; I doubt EV postal vehicles will make delivery’s slower. Pony Express would have been faster.


Well there's no De Joy in that. [emoticon]
I think the new Admin will make the necessary changes to bring the USPS back to normal.


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Sounds like GM is doing it’s best to go bankrupt again. Mary is chalked full of great ideas!

There’s probably a better way to power vehicles. Is it electric? Don’t know. I know this, you could electrify every vehicle on the planet and it would have a relatively small impact on pollution. Electricity production and manufacturing in China and India are major sources of pollution. If the goal of electrification of vehicles is to curb pollution, then it’s a relatively poor strategy.

Electric powered vehicles are rock stars...instant full torque, no need waiting until 3,500 rpm for power. Good stuff...but yeah, I would need to spend many times more to get a truck with a battery big enough to tow my 5’er 300 miles before charging...and that truck doesn’t exist yet. Hmmm...my $30k gasser HD or $100k+ for an electric truck.

Also, no one talks about the pollution involved with mining the materials to make batteries or the proper disposal of those batteries. I suppose technology will be developed to handle that stuff better in the future.

Solar is great here in Florida...but the payback for me is well over ten years, and given a life of maybe 20 years....hmmm. And I’ll sell my house before then. What would be cool would be a system that allows private people to share solar power, making up shortfalls on one house with excess from another instead of selling it back to the power company for a fraction of what it cost to generate it. But keep in mind, even if you reduce demand on the grid through solar, you still need enough capacity on the generation side to cover demand for rare events and you still need backup plants on line. You can’t just shut down power plants and expect solar and Tesla power walls to meet all your needs.

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goducks10 wrote:

BCSnob wrote:

We got 3 Christmas cards 1.5 months after the postmark date; I doubt EV postal vehicles will make delivery’s slower. Pony Express would have been faster.


Well there's no De Joy in that. [emoticon]
I think the new Admin will make the necessary changes to bring the USPS back to normal.


LMAO... You mean Uncle Joe


LMAO also but ROF.

He sure got the price of gasoline back to normal quickly. Come on man.

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Volvo just did the same thing. No more vehicle with tail pipes after 2030.

https://electrek.co/2021/03/02/volvo-only-sell-electric-cars-by-2030/

I think that is like 4 manufacturers now, not including the new manufacturers like Tesla and Rivian that already build only electric vehicles.

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I agree with the electric cars being the largest change in automotive ever. They already are going to come in force in the next couple of years. I already had a Volt and loved it for in the city, I will get another as soon as I see one that works for older folks,ie: getting in and out. If anyone thinks these cars and trucks are not going to happen had better wake up GM and the others are not putting billions out there just for the heck of it~!!!


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I agree with the electric cars being the largest change in automotive ever. They already are going to come in force in the next couple of years. I already had a Volt and loved it for in the city, I will get another as soon as I see one that works for older folks,ie: getting in and out. If anyone thinks these cars and trucks are not going to happen had better wake up GM and the others are not putting billions out there just for the heck of it~!!!


Audi makes an easy egress ingress EV SUV. I’m not in love with the look but then again I don’t like the look of SUV’s. Tesla also makes the model Y which is easy to get in and out of...and it’s also kind of...not great looking...although I think it looks nicer than the Audi.

In my opinion the only good looking EV hatchback kind of SUV is the Jaguar I Pace. Best looking EV on the road today. Gorgeous in and out. Sits a little higher and is easier to get in and out of than our Tesla model 3.

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The real question for me is an EV really cost effective when compared to an ICE or hybrid type vehicle. It is hard to cut through the marketing hyperbole on some of the EV web sites. I will probably give my 2009 CRV to my GS so I am looking for another car anyways and started looking at the some of these EV's. I tried to compare an EV to my current RAV4 Hybrid and this is my logic. I live in CT and my total cost per KWH is 27 cents( 9 cents to generate and 18 cents for delivery costs). Most EV's I looked would use 30 KWH's to go 100 miles. At 27 cents/KWH X 30 KWH's= $8.1 to travel 100 miles. My 2019 RAV4 averages 40MPGs so 100 miles/ 40 MPG's=2.5 gals x $2.00/gal = $5.00. If gas goes to $3/gal and it will that would be $7.50. At $4/gal = $10 to travel 100 miles. So to me the equivalent cost is about $3.40/gal. Not factored in is Ct uses mostly oil to generate electric so the electric cost will go up as the price of oil just not as fast as gas. This does not include all the other stuff others have mentioned such as higher initial cost of the vehicle, etc. Bottom line EV's don't make sense to me unless gas prices exceed $4/gal. Am I missing something in my math?

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