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Njmurvin wrote:

I hook mine with a carabiner to a cargo tie down hook at the rear of the bed of my truck.


That is a bad idea - you need the brakes on the trailer to initiate before you hit the end of your chains. The chains should be just a hair longer than the breakaway cable. You also want the tongue of the trailer to stay in the bed, not fall to the ground. You should do a little research on this before you get in an accident.

I don't have an Anderson hitch, but on my gooseneck, the safety chains and breakaway cable have a ring that is attached to the frame on either side of the ball.

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Njmurvin wrote:

I hook mine with a carabiner to a cargo tie down hook at the rear of the bed of my truck.


That is a bad idea - you need the brakes on the trailer to initiate before you hit the end of your chains. The chains should be just a hair longer than the breakaway cable. You also want the tongue of the trailer to stay in the bed, not fall to the ground. You should do a little research on this before you get in an accident.

I don't have an Anderson hitch, but on my gooseneck, the safety chains and breakaway cable have a ring that is attached to the frame on either side of the ball.


I would prefer the breakaway be attached to the truck bed and not anything on the hitch.

Also I do not believe the Anderson hitches require safety chains.

If you have a hitch failure such as happened to a standard type 5th wheel hitch where the hitch head separated from the truck and had the breakaway been attached to the head the breakaway may not be activated.

If the length of the breakaway cable is shortened such it will activate before the end of the safety chains if used should be OK.

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RCMAN46 wrote:

Thermoguy wrote:

Njmurvin wrote:

I hook mine with a carabiner to a cargo tie down hook at the rear of the bed of my truck.


That is a bad idea - you need the brakes on the trailer to initiate before you hit the end of your chains. The chains should be just a hair longer than the breakaway cable. You also want the tongue of the trailer to stay in the bed, not fall to the ground. You should do a little research on this before you get in an accident.

I don't have an Anderson hitch, but on my gooseneck, the safety chains and breakaway cable have a ring that is attached to the frame on either side of the ball.


I would prefer the breakaway be attached to the truck bed and not anything on the hitch.

Also I do not believe the Anderson hitches require safety chains.

If you have a hitch failure such as happened to a standard type 5th wheel hitch where the hitch head separated from the truck and had the breakaway been attached to the head the breakaway may not be activated.

If the length of the breakaway cable is shortened such it will activate before the end of the safety chains if used should be OK.


Safety Chains are required for the Anderson Hitch as it is considered a Gooseneck connection - ball.

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Safety Chains are required for the Anderson Hitch as it is considered a Gooseneck connection - ball.

This from Andersen's website ....

"This is kind of a grey area. We were tested as a fifth wheel hitch and are approved as a fifth wheel hitch. According to DOT regulations because it is a fifth wheel hitch we does not need safety chains. However we do utilize a gooseneck ball to secure the fifth wheel hitch into place creating a solid base with no moving points. On conventional gooseneck trailers chains are required due to the latching mechanism on the gooseneck trailer. The Andersen Ultimate Connection does not utilize a latch nor does it pivot at the point of the ball. Our unconventional setup is much like the OEM puck system that is utilized to accept fifth wheel hitches sold in the newer trucks today. Unfortunately it is up to the DOT office to interpret the regulations and laws. We have only heard of one case, out of the 35,000 units that we have on the road today, where the DOT officer insisted on having the customer add safety chains to his setup. For this reason we do offer safety chains (part # 3230) for our Ultimate Connection."

For the record, I prefer not to have a conversation with LE on the matter. So, I use safety chains.

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Not all states even require safety chains for a GN type hitch. All the years and over a million miles I towed GN trailers for a living all my GN trailers had chains and I and all my drivers used them. I've had and I've seen GN trailers forced off the ball around worksites and out in pastures.....and I do not want my trailers brakes applied while the chains are still hooked....on any trailer. Thats a good way to loose control when the trailer brakes fully engaged especially at highway speeds. I want to control how and when brakes are applied.

All my pintle/bumper pull and GN (pin and ball type) trailers breakaway systems were set up to work only when the trailer breaks away from the tow vehicle. Then full the brakes get the full amps.


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You might want to rethink your logic on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phdr8v3D-Cg&ab_channel=KTVB

I actually think all trailers should have safety chains. I have always been surprised that a 5th wheel hitch does not have safety chains. Seems illogical to me.

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If your replying to me you need to read what I said. I have/had and always have used safety chains on all my ball/pintle hitch trailers.

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Njmurvin wrote:

I hook mine with a carabiner to a cargo tie down hook at the rear of the bed of my truck.


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Thermoguy wrote:

You might want to rethink your logic on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phdr8v3D-Cg&ab_channel=KTVB

I actually think all trailers should have safety chains. I have always been surprised that a 5th wheel hitch does not have safety chains. Seems illogical to me.


I've never seen chains on a fifth wheel in California as they're not required in California. Can't hurt anything to add them imo

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JIMNLIN wrote:

If your replying to me you need to read what I said. I have/had and always have used safety chains on all my ball/pintle hitch trailers.


Your comment "and I do not want my trailers brakes applied while the chains are still hooked." is why I attached that video. The chains will stay attached to the truck and trailer, you need the brakes applied to stop the trailer when attached to the truck. The chains are not going to brake away from the truck, then the trailer brakes are going to engage. You need the brakes engaging before it hits the end of the chains... period...

This has never happened to me - knock on wood - but from my experience and seeing how you are supposed to set up your trailer, regardless of the trailer hitch type, if you have chains, the brake cable is shorter than the chains.

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