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Tanks are always empty except fresh water is full on the way. It has a couch up front and the storage under it is the pass through. I pile as much stuff up front as possible but looking for a better idea. Don't want to just carry extra weight. I hate that they make these so called Lites with such little tongue weight.


You haven't commented on the mountable storage trays with like a gen on it. https://www.rvupgradestore.com/Trailer-Tray-p/92-1577.htm?cvsfa=3124&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=39322d31353737

Will something like this work?

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Doesn't matter what the trailers GVWR is or it's dry tongue weight. What matters is what the tongue weight is when the trailer is loaded for a trip. So you would need to load it like you would for a trip then check the tongue weight. I always say 12% is what you want to be at. Is that 400lb tongue weight loaded for a trip or is it when it's empty? Either way you need to load it and then weigh the tongue. Get a Sureline tongue scale and then you can move stuff around in the trailer as needed, after you weigh the entire trailer.


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Is there any way to access the pasthrough compartment through the couch and put larger things in that way?

This is what I'm trying to figure out. It has a couch that flips into a bed. If I can access the area up front I could load it better. I really don't know why they put such small outside access doors and no inside access. Thanks!


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Doesn't matter what the trailers GVWR is or it's dry tongue weight. What matters is what the tongue weight is when the trailer is loaded for a trip. So you would need to load it like you would for a trip then check the tongue weight. I always say 12% is what you want to be at. Is that 400lb tongue weight loaded for a trip or is it when it's empty? Either way you need to load it and then weigh the tongue. Get a Sureline tongue scale and then you can move stuff around in the trailer as needed, after you weigh the entire trailer.

Thank you for your input. I am very knowledgeable on setting up a trailer since I have had many over many years. Yes moving things inside to the front helps but that's not what I want to do every time since my door is upfront and it becomes total clutter.

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LITEPHIL wrote:

Tanks are always empty except fresh water is full on the way. It has a couch up front and the storage under it is the pass through. I pile as much stuff up front as possible but looking for a better idea. Don't want to just carry extra weight. I hate that they make these so called Lites with such little tongue weight.


You haven't commented on the mountable storage trays with like a gen on it. https://www.rvupgradestore.com/Trailer-Tray-p/92-1577.htm?cvsfa=3124&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=39322d31353737

Will something like this work?

I did check it out. Don't think I want to go that route at this time. My generator is used for a lot of other things and it looks like battery and tank access would be a pain but that you for your help.

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Thank you all again. I think I'm back to trying to find a way to better access that front compartment so I can load it down. The compartment doors on both sides only have a 14 1/2 by 8 1/2 opening and through the couch there is only a little bit of access when the couch is half way flipped into a bed. Maybe I need bigger doors some how. I like this trailer but a few things were just not thought out. If they would have just put the axles a few inches back it probably would have towed better. I am NOT a fan of the Lite trailers myself

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In the early 2000's there was a recall on certain 21 ft Bigfoot models because of the poor handling qualities of them. The recall added 500 lbs of steel weight to the tongue. There are a number of them out there that didn't get modified and there is a story about a couple that bought one, not realizing the issues with it, and totaled the trailer and their tow vehicle on the way home with it.

Whether you want to or not, you could end up having to add a couple of sections of Rail Road track underneath the tongue area.

As far as water goes, get some blue 5 gal potable water jugs and carry the water in the bed of the truck and fill the tanks after you get to the site. This is not a great option but should help some.

Where is the spare tire? Certainly it can be moved to a holder underneath the front of the trailer.

I would consider moving the water tank. It is probably just braced up or strapped up to framework underneath. Move it forward install a new filler neck and tube down to it (might have to build a box around the fill and vent tubes) and remove the existing fill neck and install a blanking plate over the opening where the fill port was.

I have a Thor trailer with a couch across the front that does the funny flip routine to make a bed. The back swings away from the wall and rotates at the same time till it ends up in front of the seat cushion part of it. The seat cushion frame lifts up to expose the pass thru. You may be able to remove a piece of plywood and get into the pass thru if the seat bottom lifts up. Mine pivots up toward the front wall once the back is out of the way.

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So to all of you who suggest putting things like propane, beer, water, and other CONSUMABLES up front for tongue weight...

What happens when you burn up all the propane and drink all the beer???

Apparently trailers don't sway on the trip home, only on the way out.

I would take the trailer back to where I bought it and COMPLAIN. Get your money back. Their fix will be to add dead weight to the front. Tell them that this is not acceptable.


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I think the key here is to try to find a way to access that front storage area and fill it up with stuff. I'm not going to add weight at this time if I can load it down up front. It's not supper bad towing and I have made around ten trips with it. It's just not a great handling trailer with out a couple hundred pounds added up front. I was thinking about making the front couch/bed flip back for loading. Just trying to dial things in a bit.
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