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Lance owners have reported this issue as well with the heavy campers.

Topics on LOA about it: https://community.lanceowners.org/topic/490087549563883794?reply=490932114694083292#490932114694083292

https://community.lanceowners.org/topic/2016-chevy-silverado-3500hd-truck-bed-is-not-flat

https://community.lanceowners.org/topic/how-well-is-the-truck-camper-edges-supported-by-the-truck-bed


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Torklift article sounds like written by 3rd grader.
They talk about "bed frame"
Have never seen such animal.
All truck beds I have seen are resting on truck frame.
Somebody missed his classes.





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Kayteg1 wrote:

Torklift article sounds like written by 3rd grader.
They talk about "bed frame"
Have never seen such animal.
All truck beds I have seen are resting on truck frame.
Somebody missed his classes.


I don't think we should base anything here off a competitor's website, but it's obvious if you look at the HappiJac design that the majority of the forces are going to be on bulkhead. Pair that with a heavy camper and aluminum bed, and you are asking for the kinds of damages shown in Op's photos.


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Kayteg1 wrote:

Torklift article sounds like written by 3rd grader.
They talk about "bed frame"
Have never seen such animal.
All truck beds I have seen are resting on truck frame.
Somebody missed his classes.


Pretty savvy third grader then... I skimmed the entire article. Maybe we're reading different things. Or, one of us missed class.

The Torklift article makes some great points, and walks one down the path of options available. Lot's of changes as trucks and campers have evolved.

OP's bed is messed up and that sucks. I can only surmise like others.. but I agree that forces on the walls of the bed are creating stresses at the box..due to tie downs. Frame mounted tie downs would eliminate the reaction.


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The angle of the rear/front tiedown is definitely different on Torklift mounts compared to the Happijac. I have no idea if that makes much difference or not. However, Arctic Fox recommendeds Torklift.

One more thought, I wonder if the tiedowns in addition to the tiedown mounts might make a difference. After all their ability to absorb shock would be different.

Any way, I found that article to be written pretty well. I’m kind of wondering how I missed the third grader part as well.

Don’t all truck beds have a spacer between the bed and frame any more? At least, companies make replacements.


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OP mention that he did not put much stress on rear ties, so blaming the tie-downs for the situation has no base.
Just like Torklift is badmouthing the competition, when I wish they would spend more time on better product design.
The tie-downs they send for my 2017 Ford require several heavy shims to fit the frame, beside manufacturing flaws that I had to correct.
I have never seen 2016 Ford bed that is subject on this topic, but the aluminum bed on 2017 is having very strong support under tailgate.
It is support who suppose to carry TC weight, not the Sheetmetal bed.

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2011 F350 dually here towing a 13k loaded FW and have never had any frame, stress issues or cracks.

**Nevermind. Appears to be a truck camper forum/issue (?)**


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mellow wrote:

Torklift puts the blame on HJ for this damage: https://www.torklift.com/index.php/blog/........eventing-bed-damage-from-my-truck-camper


Well, they certainly do. I guess I could maybe imagine a situation where the front connection could be flexing the bed enough to allow the back of the camper to constantly pressure and flex the rear of the bed. That said, the front ties always have springs in them to allow this sort of rocking back when needed. How does tying the camper to the lower frame mounted Tork's solve this issue. It just seems like a lower attachment point doing the same thing - as their longer fastguns have the same spring set up in the fronts. And those 1' long overhang arms that they attach to, must have some flex when attached to a big camper. Perhaps even more than the HJ's short and straight tie down to the frame rail under the bed.

"Somebody call an engineer at Torklift...we need to talk" ;-)

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Kayteg1 wrote:

OP mention that he did not put much stress on rear ties, so blaming the tie-downs for the situation has no base.


As usually, you have a bone to pick with Torklift that is based on how much you think you know more than a company that’s been in business for over 50 years. Just wondering why your rear design is more similar to Torklift’s as hitch mounted instead of Happyjac’s that connects to the bumper. [emoticon]

Totally fine for you to pretend though. Everyone needs a hobby even if it is badmouthing Torklift.

None of us have any idea if the tiedowns were overtightened or undertighted, or if the OP simply got a bad Ford. We do know that not every Arctic Fox is having an issue with every Ford. Maybe you saw a post of someone using Torklift’s that had the same issue.

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For what it's worth, I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the current HJ system, and very consciously don't overtighten the back screws, but do preload the front spring screws, and check them all daily when traveling. I am also super conscious of weight distribution on the truck, and holding tanks being full or not, etc...

But I have to admit, if this was super common, I feel like the boards would be full of Ford owners talking about it, and they're not.

Thanks all for your input. I'll think it over a while.

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