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JKJavelin

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Posted: 05/30/21 01:15pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

We have frameless windows, and 3 of them are emergency exits that can swing wide open but the handles are short. I made props out of PVC so they can now open wide.
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* This post was edited 05/30/21 01:28pm by JKJavelin *


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Posted: 05/30/21 06:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

JKJavelin wrote:

We have frameless windows, and 3 of them are emergency exits that can swing wide open but the handles are short. I made props out of PVC so they can now open wide.
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I would be scared the wind would pick up and lift the window enough for that to fall out and then slam it down.

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Posted: 05/30/21 06:41pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

"seems like to me.... In my opinion..... i think.....seems logical that....."
Ignore those knee-jerk poster forum user post, haha. You need experienced answers.

I have the frameless windows so am responding.
#1. they look great IMO.
#2. they do have good air flow.
No, they do not open wide, but they do open all the way across the opening. Direct winds against the camper will not just pass through perfectly, but air will be forced through nonetheless because it has no where else to go. Like water down a drain, it will go on through assuming there is a window on the other side open, or at least the roof vent.

#3. Also, you can get double insulated glass in the frameless version.

It is a more modern look and style so years down the road your rig will look more up-to-date if the RV industry goes the way of frameless windows.

I like that in order to break into an open window one would actually have to break something on frameless, not just scratch open a screen, to get in...


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Actual window opening and the given size of a window do not match, but do for the example...

so, if you had a small window, 18x22 in frameless and the window pane is 3 inches out at the bottom, 0 at the top. Then the math is( (3x18/2) + (3x22)) ) for square inches of opening. Divided by 2 because of the 3 to 0 angle which averages to 1.5 or just divide by two.
about 93 sq inches.
4 inches out at the bottom and changes to 114
5 and 155.

same size window in a slider opening 40% = 18x22x0.4=158

So, depending entirely on how far open the frameless window opens then the actual "opening" might be about the same. If it opens 5 inches and if the old-style slider opens 40% then this is 155 vs 158 sq inches that the air can flow through.

If the window is oriented 90 degrees rotated then it drops to 112 sq in, so less, then it is 112 vs 158. You would need frameless opening of 6 at the bottom to give 174 sq in which is then more than the slider...

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"It is a more modern look and style so years down the road your rig will look more up-to-date if the RV industry goes the way of frameless windows."

Or look more dated when they go back to framed windows. [emoticon]


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Frameless Window Mod


Disclaimer: This guy leaves out an important step and by now has most likely shattered a window. The plastic spacer needs to be cut shorter and reinstalled to limit opening to 7-8 inches, not totally removed and tossed as in the video. If it's totally removed as he does it will allow the window to swing open so far that the top edge of glass will bind against the aluminum extrusion. It takes some experimentation as to how short to trim the spacer for maximum opening without binding at the top which is based on overall height of the glass itself.

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StirCrazy wrote:

JKJavelin wrote:

We have frameless windows, and 3 of them are emergency exits that can swing wide open but the handles are short. I made props out of PVC so they can now open wide.
JK

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I would be scared the wind would pick up and lift the window enough for that to fall out and then slam it down.

Steve

I used 3/4" PVC, which fits pretty snugly over the window handle, and on the other end, a 45 degree elbow that I ground a tab to fit into the window slot. If it's windy, I do the clothes pin trick to the slot to hold it tight to the wall. I don't think I would use it in extreme winds.
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* This post was edited 05/31/21 08:09am by JKJavelin *

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