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Terryallan

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Grit dog wrote:

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In truth they are are pretty hard. Much harder than tires that usually come on F150s. Normal tires are rated to 2175LB, and 44psi. Truth is if he goes to a higher rated, and higher PSI tire. He will need to also get new tires.


In truth, they are only as hard as the pressure in them and a little bit based on sidewall rigidity.
In truth, he will NOT need new rims. But your speculation is appreciated ….

Although i agree, 2700lb tires is plenty for the OPs purpose and the bulk of his “issues” seem to lie in maybe inexperience towing or very staunch expectations.


Having ran both 2100lb, and 2750lb tires I can assure you the 2700lb tires are a harder compound, and do have stiffer sidewalls. They have a stiffer ride even when aired to 35psi. Also something else. The heavier stiffer tires seem to break lose quicker than the lighter tire.

And I'm not sure F150 rims are rated for 85psi or higher. Could be wrong. Have been twice that i know of.


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Grit dog wrote:

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In truth they are are pretty hard. Much harder than tires that usually come on F150s. Normal tires are rated to 2175LB, and 44psi. Truth is if he goes to a higher rated, and higher PSI tire. He will need to also get new tires.


In truth, they are only as hard as the pressure in them and a little bit based on sidewall rigidity.
In truth, he will NOT need new rims. But your speculation is appreciated ….


The composition or stiffness of the tire is a major factor.
Air pressure alone does not determine the stiffness/hardness of a tire.
Is a rubber balloon as stiff and durable as a basketball? Fill them to the same pressure and the basketball will always be stiffer and tougher.


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^Which I acknowledged.
Terry said new rims would be in order for 51 psi tires. Not needed, at 50 psi. Not needed at higher pressure either.
Do I have a rating? Nope. Do I care? Nope. Have I been airing up half ton tires as needed for 30 + years when I needed to haul or tow something that by rights should have had a bigger truck under it? Yup. Sometimes you gotta work with what you got…
And the difference between p and xl tires is not balloon vs basketball it’s more like quality basketball vs cheap basketball. PS if you aired a balloon up to basket ball pressure it would pop.
No, E load tires don’t ride notably harsher than P tires at the same pressure. Little bit by that can be made the same by a couple psi adjustment. This is an assertion that I’ve only seen on this website which is 99% not only counterintuitive but also 99% false.
The MAJORITY of the load carrying capability and stability is due to the pressure. Not debatable. If you don’t believe me, go air up your P or XL tires to 60psi, take a drive and come back and tell me they don’t ride like flintstone wheels. Or better yet, hook up a heavy trailer, drive a winding road at 44psi in the rear and then try it at 60psi. If your scared to do this with P tires do it with E load tires. There will be a noticeable difference if the trailer is pushing the truck around at the lower pressure.

The speculation of folks on here who haven’t actually done things but think they know how it will react is sometimes astounding….


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And btw if the “heavier harder” tires break loose too easily, lose some pressure, sipe them or buy better tires for the conditions you’re using them in.

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Grit dog wrote:

And btw if the “heavier harder” tires break loose too easily, lose some pressure, sipe them or buy better tires for the conditions you’re using them in.


Didn't say needed new rims for 51psi. Said might need them for higher psi like "maybe" 65, or 85psi. Yes rims have a max psi rating as well.

And the heavier, harder tires I spoke of are Cooper all weather, Goodyear all weather, and Handkook all weather. Harder compounds just break loose easier than softer compounds.

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