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Cummins12V98

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IdaD wrote:

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IdaD wrote:

I do both fuel filters and the oil and oil filter each spring. Both tend to show 25-35% left at that point, give or take. I run full synthetic and use the stratapore (?) Fleetguard filter. No issues yet.

I did finally buy one of those aluminum filter plugs and that's a gamechanger for the 4th gen and up Cummins trucks. It's still a stupid place to put an oil filter but the plug sure helps a lot - no mess and it makes it easy to pull out a filter full of hot oil.


I have switched from the Stratapore to Donaldson-AMZ/OIL oil filter as they filter even better and are US Made.

Simply remove intake tube and RnR filter from the top it's very easy and no spilled oil.


This is easier.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P6M........yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Do you pre fill as Cummins recommends? If so how in the HE!! do you raise the filter one handed after removing the plug and not spill a drop trying to thread it on?

Do what you want but I get to check my turbo and I kept from having my truck blowing a boost hole and leave me stranded by removing my intake hose to change oil filter.

I know you don't instantly drop your oil filter right after your drain plug because if you did you would have oil flowing out the top. So while I am letting my filter drain back I remove my intake all of two minutes and do my air and fuel filters. So time savings is not an issue.

Also it cost's me nothing to do my method and don't need to pack another tool.

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ShinerBock wrote:

Now that I do not put as many miles on my truck, I change mine once a year right before winter hits whether it is time to do so or not. I do it before winter because new oil is generally thinner than old oil for better startability and greater wear protection on cold starts. Back when I was putting 30k miles on my truck a year, I would change it every 15k along with the fuel filters.


I am once a year now also since I started driving my 01 during the Summer months.

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On engine oil filter changing & possible mess...made this and one blow from a dead strike hammer drives it into the bottom/side of the oil filter.

Point the end towards the catch pan and then go about greasing all the joints, spray-painting any spots that look in need with black primer, check the tire pressure, treat the door gaskets with 303, etc.

Then come back to remove an empty oil filter and no mess.

Spin on a new filter and fill engine with new oil

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IdaD wrote:

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IdaD wrote:

I do both fuel filters and the oil and oil filter each spring. Both tend to show 25-35% left at that point, give or take. I run full synthetic and use the stratapore (?) Fleetguard filter. No issues yet.

I did finally buy one of those aluminum filter plugs and that's a gamechanger for the 4th gen and up Cummins trucks. It's still a stupid place to put an oil filter but the plug sure helps a lot - no mess and it makes it easy to pull out a filter full of hot oil.


I have switched from the Stratapore to Donaldson-AMZ/OIL oil filter as they filter even better and are US Made.

Simply remove intake tube and RnR filter from the top it's very easy and no spilled oil.


This is easier.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P6M........yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Do you pre fill as Cummins recommends? If so how in the HE!! do you raise the filter one handed after removing the plug and not spill a drop trying to thread it on?

Do what you want but I get to check my turbo and I kept from having my truck blowing a boost hole and leave me stranded by removing my intake hose to change oil filter.

I know you don't instantly drop your oil filter right after your drain plug because if you did you would have oil flowing out the top. So while I am letting my filter drain back I remove my intake all of two minutes and do my air and fuel filters. So time savings is not an issue.

Also it cost's me nothing to do my method and don't need to pack another tool.

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The filter sits upright just fine once you get it through the fender hole. It would be no problem to set it in there, spin off the cap and twist the filter on when it was full. But I don't pre-fill it, I was taught not to and old habits die hard.


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No drama... No special tools... No risk of contaminating intake system...You can simply prefill if you choose to...no spills...no frills... no surprises...no debates on which method to access the filter is easier

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Grit dog wrote:

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4x4ord wrote:

I usually reset the meter when it displays change oil soon … then the next time it comes up I change it if I still own the truck.


Honestly why change oil at all on your rigs. [emoticon]


Like button. 4x’s philosophies are umm interesting, to be polite.

But more so, they’re subtle, maybe passive aggressive attempts of conveying his financial security to the point that changing a truck is just less of a nuisance than maintaining it, when the cost of trucks is like beer money to the “commoners.”


I can understand someone 65 years old who wants to buy a new truck, look after it and keep it until they toss him in a hole and throw dirt in his face, but, I'd be very surprised to find anyone who buys new every ten years and spends less on his overall truck expenses than I do.


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IdaD wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

IdaD wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

IdaD wrote:

I do both fuel filters and the oil and oil filter each spring. Both tend to show 25-35% left at that point, give or take. I run full synthetic and use the stratapore (?) Fleetguard filter. No issues yet.

I did finally buy one of those aluminum filter plugs and that's a gamechanger for the 4th gen and up Cummins trucks. It's still a stupid place to put an oil filter but the plug sure helps a lot - no mess and it makes it easy to pull out a filter full of hot oil.


I have switched from the Stratapore to Donaldson-AMZ/OIL oil filter as they filter even better and are US Made.

Simply remove intake tube and RnR filter from the top it's very easy and no spilled oil.


This is easier.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P6M........yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Do you pre fill as Cummins recommends? If so how in the HE!! do you raise the filter one handed after removing the plug and not spill a drop trying to thread it on?

Do what you want but I get to check my turbo and I kept from having my truck blowing a boost hole and leave me stranded by removing my intake hose to change oil filter.

I know you don't instantly drop your oil filter right after your drain plug because if you did you would have oil flowing out the top. So while I am letting my filter drain back I remove my intake all of two minutes and do my air and fuel filters. So time savings is not an issue.

Also it cost's me nothing to do my method and don't need to pack another tool.

[image]


The filter sits upright just fine once you get it through the fender hole. It would be no problem to set it in there, spin off the cap and twist the filter on when it was full. But I don't pre-fill it, I was taught not to and old habits die hard.


I get every bit of what you said but raising it up in a confined space one handed seems like it would be difficult especially if pre filling.

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No drama... No special tools... No risk of contaminating intake system...You can simply prefill if you choose to...no spills...no frills... no surprises...no debates on which method to access the filter is easier

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Yep and let’s not forget good mirrors.

Nice you have at least ONE easily accessible item.

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BenK wrote:

On engine oil filter changing & possible mess...made this and one blow from a dead strike hammer drives it into the bottom/side of the oil filter.

Point the end towards the catch pan and then go about greasing all the joints, spray-painting any spots that look in need with black primer, check the tire pressure, treat the door gaskets with 303, etc.

Then come back to remove an empty oil filter and no mess.

Spin on a new filter and fill engine with new oil

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Don’t think that would work on my 15. I do other things while mine siphons down with zero oil spilled. I usually let my engines drain overnight so plenty of time.

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This whole thread makes me LOL!
In all my 49 years, I NEVER heard any scuttlebutt about changing oil.
It was like one of those certainties in life. Desth taxes and regular oil changes if you want to keep your car engine healthy.

Best one could do is argue Pennzoil vs Quaker State.....
Some of yall need new hobbies....
I'd read all the horror stories about changin the 4th Gen Ram oil filters...hotly debated subject for years now, and of all the ones I'd driven up til last year, never serviced one (not like 4x's no oil change theory, just company rigs and someone elses duty).
I was expecting some sort of challenge, so's I go remove the air intake and that took like 2 minutes and low and behold, there was the filter. Prolly easier than from underneath on my old 3rd Gen.

But to add to the debate, I generally don't prefill oil filters...so there's that.


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