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For decades now we have elected lawmakers who do not care about our parks or bridges but worry excessively about how to squeeze every penny possible into tax cuts, especially for the wealthy and corporations, but also for the rest of us. It’s why our bridges are in disrepair and our parks are poorly maintained.

The NFS recreation area at which we volunteered for several years operates on exactly one full time paid employee. The campground has 63 sites plus two “group areas”, two lakes, beach, and picnic areas. All the real work is being done by volunteers who are mostly retirees (who else has the time), and who are increasingly hard to attract.

All those pigeons are coming home to roost. The park systems need money, the bridges need paint and other repairs (google the broken beam on I-40 across the Mississippi in Memphis).





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We went to many calif state parks in 2009 and they seemed to be not at all taken care of. Haven't been back.


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To stay "Non Political" About this, simply consider the most vocal Gimme groups, from Race, to Sexual Orientation, gender issues, to even the Eco nuts, they ALL demand money for their pet issue. It's all about MY issue, not the good of the nation as a whole, and the National Parks are a part of that Nation as a whole.
Even something as straightforward as infrastructure is now turned into daycare programs and abortion questions.
The people making all the noise don't care about you, or what you want.

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naturist wrote:

For decades now we have elected lawmakers who do not care about our parks or bridges but worry excessively about how to squeeze every penny possible into tax cuts, especially for the wealthy and corporations, but also for the rest of us. It’s why our bridges are in disrepair and our parks are poorly maintained.

The NFS recreation area at which we volunteered for several years operates on exactly one full time paid employee. The campground has 63 sites plus two “group areas”, two lakes, beach, and picnic areas. All the real work is being done by volunteers who are mostly retirees (who else has the time), and who are increasingly hard to attract.

All those pigeons are coming home to roost. The park systems need money, the bridges need paint and other repairs (google the broken beam on I-40 across the Mississippi in Memphis).


There are national parks and NFS campgrounds and facilities being operated by concessionaires.

And the difference in upkeep is day and night and the profit-motive is way too obvious.

That rubs insult to injury as they are making profit out of We The People's natural resources and patrimony.

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wanderingaimlessly wrote:

To stay "Non Political" About this, simply consider the most vocal Gimme groups, from Race, to Sexual Orientation, gender issues, to even the Eco nuts, they ALL demand money for their pet issue. It's all about MY issue, not the good of the nation as a whole, and the National Parks are a part of that Nation as a whole.
Even something as straightforward as infrastructure is now turned into daycare programs and abortion questions.
The people making all the noise don't care about you, or what you want.


That is LOL ridiculous. It's really the people w the power that don't care about you.

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Great American Outdoors Act has assured some funding.

"would guarantee that the federal Land and Water Conservation Fund receives its annual $900 million allocation and also set aside $9.5 billion over five years to tackle a longstanding maintenance backlog in the national parks."


This bill was passed because of the p word. Had it not been needed for p reasons it would have failed. In other words "they were against it, before they were for it."

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toedtoes wrote:

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Honestly, $80 for an annual pass (far less for old folks) is really too cheap for what you get. Bump that up a bit and mandate the dollars go right back into the parks and I bet you see a lot of improvements.


The annual pass and the "old folks" pass are not the same.

The standard annual pass does not include discounts for camping fees, etc. All you get is the free entrance. Unless you can/will visit national parks multiple times in a year, it is not cost effective to spend the $80. A 7-day entrance fee for Death Valley is $30. Unless you are staying longer than 14 days, or visiting another national park during the calendar year, it isn't cost effective to buy the annual pass.

In comparison: a standard site at Furnace Creek is $22 per night. With the senior pass, it's $11. For 14 nights, that's a savings of $154 in camping fees as well as the $60 in entrance fees. Making it extremely worth the one-time price of the pass.


Yes, they are different, that's why I mentioned it. The vast majority of retirees out in six figure RVs can afford to pay more for world class sites.

The campgrounds are cheap...again supporting the point, that they should be priced higher to support the operating costs.


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When Donald Trump was President, he donated his annual salary to the Nat'l Park Service. Not a lot of money to the NPS total budget, but nice gesture showing he was aware of their problems.

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cptqueeg wrote:

Great American Outdoors Act has assured some funding.

"would guarantee that the federal Land and Water Conservation Fund receives its annual $900 million allocation and also set aside $9.5 billion over five years to tackle a longstanding maintenance backlog in the national parks."


This bill was passed because of the p word. Had it not been needed for p reasons it would have failed. In other words "they were against it, before they were for it."


Best news to feed into our hope so far. I've not seen it yet on the parks I've camped but yeah, bureaucracy kind of slow to cascade into field work and projects. And good priorities and intent too on addressing backlogs. I was camping in remote area (yeah, not operated by concessionnaire that would prove unprofitable for them) of Yosemite and there were campsites that's unusable the upkeep was way lacking.

Politics aside, there are just administrations whose very supportive of the outdoors and the environment and put it both in their policy and budget priorities.

Thanks for the info.

* This post was edited 06/18/21 08:39am by Yosemite Sam1 *

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YS _ "Best news to feed into our hope so far. I've not seen it yet on the parks I've camped but yeah, bureaucracy kind of slow to cascade into field work and projects. And good priorities and intent too on addressing backlogs. I was camping in remote area (yeah, not operated by concessionnaire that would prove unprofitable for them) of Yosemite and there were campsites that's unusable the upkeep was way lacking.

Politics aside, there are just administrations whose very supportive of the outdoors and the environment and put it both in their policy and budget priorities.

Thanks for the info."

the rest of the story


Why am I not surprised.

* This post was edited 06/18/21 09:51am by cptqueeg *

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