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free radical wrote:

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Ah, but scooby, nobody is telling anyone they MUST buy the "L" shaped things. And therein lies the difference. Rural folks tend to be more independent, they prefer freedom to attend to many of their own affairs, and to make their own choices.
The urban side tends to rely on others to do most things for them, from reliance on transit, to maintaining everything in their daily lives. Loss of electrical service in a large city shuts everything down, at my home, and most neighbors, its a minor inconvenience.
I dont object to tech, I have solar at home and on my RV, I also have a generator in both. I will use tech where it is reasonable, but I try to remain independent enough to at least for limited periods of time to be able to meet my own needs.
To require an EV disrupts that independence. Some dont mind the loss of independence, if it offers convenience. But as an example, the classic LA getaway to Vegas for a weekend, to drive a Tesla MAY be possible but at 270 miles , especially if you run the AC, you will be pushing the envelope. Even a Hybrid fixes the problem. That is and should be their choice. But they should not attempt to force it upon others.

No one is forcing anyone to drive ev.however some cities will ban ice cars eventualy due to air polution. Good idea imo no one cares to smell deadly exhaust fumes.

Btw Tesla truck will get 500 miles range,
and with solar on your roof one can kiss gas stations bye bye. No wonder Tesla has milions preorders

Many asian countries big cities are pushin evs due to bad polution,and bikes scooters are popular bc they are cheap and can go anywhere

This is from 2016 so lot has changed

https://youtu.be/nkbO_7ZtRto


Brilliant example, clean up the air like China, by using electricity where 70% comes from COAL fired electrical plants. And theirs have no scrubbers or other "clean burn" technology. The chinese burn their carbon fuels the same way they get them, the cheapest , dirtiest way possible.

And those EV's with the long ranges, first, those ranges are for travel in perfect conditions, since all travel is not either downhill or even level, you likely wont see those numbers. Also summer or winter use, requiring climate modification in the passenger compartment via either an air conditioning unit drawing from your battery or a convection heater. Either way that wonderful 500 mile dreamed of range gets reduced by 30-50%.

And solar on your cars roof to eliminate charging... Just saw some threads in here on the subject, iirc it would take a week for 500 watts of solar to generate a sufficient amount of power to move you a couple of miles, unloaded by any trailer or heavy 4wd type of work.
tesla charging
level 1 it takes 4 days to fully charge a depleted S.
Level one is the equivalent of 120 volts at 15 amps 24 hours a day. Your solar will only generate about 5 hours a day on average and if you have 500 watts of collection possible, that would equate to 172k watt hrs which would take the solar setup 69 days to replicate. Glad you have the time to wait around for that, most folks dont.

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To move this thread further along, HERE is a really informative article from the Wall Street Journal.

When I said "why are there so many crooks in the EV industry?", I was merely referring to the start-ups who are trying to capitalize on the success of Tesla. Some have falsified their books to show orders that don't exist. Isn't that misleading their investors? And of course, this isn't to say that other sectors in the economy don't have some "bad actors".

Having said this, I was never implying that the goal of making an all-electric RV or other smaller EV isn't worthwhile. On the contrary, once all the big hurdles (charging infrastructure, service networks, longer range, etc. etc. etc. are overcome, such vehicles will become more commonplace. Perhaps, IMHO, the best approach in the interim would be the hybrid model, which I'm sure most of you would agree that these vehicles have been proven to be viable.

Getting back to all-electric vehicles, including large trucks and RV motor homes, again IMHO, the unscrupulous, (Lordstown, among others come to mind) are trying to make a quick buck from "foolish" investors. Look at the rise in so-called "SPACS", a special purpose acquisition company, also known as a "blank check company". It's a shell corporation listed on a stock exchange with the purpose of acquiring a private company, thus making it public without going through the traditional initial public offering process. The EV sector, unfortunately has had their of this unscrupulous practice but this isn't to say that the ultimate goal isn't worthwhile. Am I too naive to hope for a higher standard of business ethics to prevail?


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Manufacturing costs (financially and environmentally) will always be greater with BEVs (period).

"End of life" (aka recycling) societal costs will always be greater with BEVs (period).
Let me know when "End of Life" on an ICE also includes removing the pollutants and CO2 emitted over the 20 year life of refining the petrol and burning it.


And let me know when the "End of Life" on an BEV will no longer require massive amounts of fossil fuels to properly recycle those expired batteries....and will no longer require 3,000-30,000 gallons of water to extinguish a flaming BEV.

Trading one evil (oil extraction) for another evil (destructive mining) does not make either option righteous.


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No one is forcing anyone to drive ev.however some cities will ban ice cars eventualy due to air polution.

You obviously haven't heard that California has banned fossil fuel vehicles by the year 2035. If that is not "forcing" I don't know what is.


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You obviously haven't heard that California has banned fossil fuel vehicles by the year 2035. If that is not "forcing" I don't know what is.
Just to be clear, the order covers the sale of new non-zero emission vehicles in 2035, not all non-zero emission vehicles.

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You obviously haven't heard that California has banned fossil fuel vehicles by the year 2035. If that is not "forcing" I don't know what is.
Just to be clear, the order covers the sale of new non-zero emission vehicles in 2035, not all non-zero emission vehicles.

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Going back to the late '70s California has banned my trucks from running in their state. I bought newer trucks, but never new enough.
Guess how much sleep I lost behind that?

OTOH, there are a lot of old cars running in the state without issues. I can see no way even banning the sale of new ICE cars can be called forcing anybody to drive a EV.

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You obviously haven't heard that California has banned fossil fuel vehicles by the year 2035. If that is not "forcing" I don't know what is.
Just to be clear, the order covers the sale of new non-zero emission vehicles in 2035, not all non-zero emission vehicles.

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Going back to the late '70s California has banned my trucks from running in their state. I bought newer trucks, but never new enough.
Guess how much sleep I lost behind that?

OTOH, there are a lot of old cars running in the state without issues. I can see no way even banning the sale of new ICE cars can be called forcing anybody to drive a EV.


They will do it the same way they do everything else
First ban the new sale.
next increase the regulations, making the sale of supplies more costly.
Then raise the taxes on needed supplies, in this case fuel,
Finally, ban the sale of the fuel when taxes are no longer coming in at the desired revenue level.

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They will do it the same way they do everything else
First ban the new sale.
next increase the regulations, making the sale of supplies more costly.
Then raise the taxes on needed supplies, in this case fuel,
Finally, ban the sale of the fuel when taxes are no longer coming in at the desired revenue level.
All offered to its citizens from a state that is running short on electricity. [emoticon]

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Back to the OP'S point. Rivian, Nikola, & now Lordstown Motors are under a cloud of suspicion. And SPAC'S? Just another game in the Wall Street "casino". And can't forget were it not for selling carbon credits, Tesla wouldn't be profitable. Have read more than one story that Tesla's capital burn is unsustainable, more so since their high margin vehicles (S & X) are not selling as well as they were since introduction of the Model 3 & Y.

The Legacy 3 and foreign automakers may have been late to the party but they may well be the EV survivors when the dust settles.

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Back to the OP'S point. Rivian, Nikola, & now Lordstown Motors are under a cloud of suspicion.
Rivian seems to be making progress. I actually saw a Rivian truck here in So Cal a few weeks ago. I give Rivian a fair chance to make an honest go.

Nikola and Lordstown seem to be floundering with a small chance of pulling off anything real.

Thor Trucks seems to have merged into Xos to build a few armored vehicles to transport cash.
https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/xos-electrify-armored-trucks/

Bollinger seems intent on production next year. More like hand built than assembly line so this one could be a slow release for those with extra $$ for something unique.


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