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dedmiston wrote:

Moved from General RVing.

This stopped being about RVs a few pages ago.
The move of doom. Say "Bye" yawl.


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Shouldn't all taxpayer subsidies to commercial companies be considered bad? Especially since politicians (not consumers) are the ones picking winners and losers.

Why are "BEV subsidies" considered righteous? While those offered to "Big Oil" are considered evil?

Destructive mining (for BEV batteries) turns our green lands into desert sands. Want proof? Two words: Thacher Pass.

Contradictions are hard to swallow. Indigenous People are against BOTH Keystone pipeline and Thacher Pass mining. Where's the outrage for Thacher Pass?

https://www.sierranevadaally.org/2021/06........rally-against-thacker-pass-lithium-mine/

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Maybe this is "heresay" but a question on the driving force behind much of the EV debate. According to several articles I have recently read, heres one the number of Americans living off grid is increasing. Now this article focuses on fixed homes and communities, but the same ideas match the full time rv'ers. Need for a blend of solar as well as carbon fuels, minimizing outside source needs etc.
One begs the question why would governments strive to create regulations to interfere with that, and the simple answer is, control.
The challenges in full timing with handling licenses, registrations, insurance are impediments intentionally placed to make the lifestyle more challenging and make returning to their fold more attractive.
And I think forcing the EV shift works in that direction as well, it's not a principle driving force, as far as being specifically aimed or directed at RVing, but more to moving more people into urban centers where they are easier to control or manage, that it also impacts us is simply a bonus.

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Moderator wrote:

Folks, if this thread is to continue, it is time to post facts/research backing up many of your claims. Otherwise, it is pure hearsay. Thanks.


Can you be specific on what you are referring too?


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Moderator wrote:

Folks, if this thread is to continue, it is time to post facts/research backing up many of your claims. Otherwise, it is pure hearsay. Thanks.


California's fossil fuel NEW car ban:

California bans fossil fuel cars


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Amazing, they have trouble supplying electricity now without rolling blackouts, but they're going to mandate the need for even more electricity. I guess they feel they're just like Picard, and all they have to do is say "Make it so number one".

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OEM's are going headlong into electrifying most of their vehicles. There is some concern with raw material availability, especially with Lithium for the batteries. Also, there's concern with rare earth materials for magnets, used in the motors.

On the other hand, we're kind of at peak oil. This doesn't mean that oil will run out tomorrow, but it's getting more and more expensive to pull every barrel of oil out of the ground. A few years ago, I saw report that Saudi's were pumping heated ocean water into their oil fields to keep up production. At some point, that is going to come to a screaching halt. Haven't seen anything new on this topic in a while.

Electric vehicles is not the end all answer, just like solar, nor is continuing as is.

Now, there's the chip issue. This was a multitude of factors. One was Covid, which impacted workers. Two, govt money put cash in peoples pocket, further affecting inventory. Just to make a perfect storm, one of the chip manufacturers had a plant fire. That plant is back up an running, but it will take some time to get back to "normal". OEM's have teams of people to manage issues that develop like this.

We're in unprecedented times all the way around.

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OEM's are going headlong into electrifying most of their vehicles. There is some concern with raw material availability, especially with Lithium for the batteries. Also, there's concern with rare earth materials for magnets, used in the motors.

On the other hand, we're kind of at peak oil. This doesn't mean that oil will run out tomorrow, but it's getting more and more expensive to pull every barrel of oil out of the ground. A few years ago, I saw report that Saudi's were pumping heated ocean water into their oil fields to keep up production. At some point, that is going to come to a screaching halt. Haven't seen anything new on this topic in a while.

Electric vehicles is not the end all answer, just like solar, nor is continuing as is.

Now, there's the chip issue. This was a multitude of factors. One was Covid, which impacted workers. Two, govt money put cash in peoples pocket, further affecting inventory. Just to make a perfect storm, one of the chip manufacturers had a plant fire. That plant is back up an running, but it will take some time to get back to "normal". OEM's have teams of people to manage issues that develop like this.

We're in unprecedented times all the way around.

Peak Oil is total nonsense, the US is a major exporter of oil, Venezuela can’t give their oil away. You don’t think there is more oil in China’s or Russia’s large landmass? Really?

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Peak oil? It is reported that there are 47 years of "known reserves" available.

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And the list of the dirty dozen oil producing countries

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Source: https://www.worldometers.info/oil/

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