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A technical look at the premier CO2 / O2 biomass converter: Algae

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3248706/

Lack of research is a fundamental limitation in today's science.

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Posted: 07/13/21 12:02pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I have posed no contradictions; the use of pipelines is not necessarily bad. The continued (and increasing) emissions from the use of oil is bad; the impacts on the oil industry infrastructure built on the melting permafrost due to the continued emissions from the use of oil pose additional environmental threats. How would a future ruptured oil pipeline (Norilsk failed storage unit may offer hints) compare to the future environmental impact of your favorite strawman (Thatcher Pass)?

So let me turn back on you what you posed to me, propose solutions.

How do you propose to reduce the total emissions from the use of fossil fuels?

Since you have already eliminated BEVs due to your objections to current lithium mining/extraction practices; fuel cell technology is also out (since fuel cell vehicles also use lithium batteries; regenerative braking requires batteries).

Do you simply propose to do nothing?

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I think most agree that there is some climate change going on, but the disagreement comes down to how much can be laid at the foot of human interaction. I think some of it for sure, but climate change is an ongoing process, and to pronounce human interaction as the sole contributing factor is basing a lot on speculative theory, and software algorithms. And then to narrow it down to the oil industry is even more speculative.


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Posted: 07/13/21 12:48pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Not the oil industry, human population growth and its increasing combustion of fossil fuels (on a per person basis). Oil is a significant component of the fossil fuels.

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BCSnob wrote:

Not the oil industry, human population growth and its increasing combustion of fossil fuels (on a per person basis). Oil is a significant component of the fossil fuels.
Absolutely agree. I think if we took care of the population growth, the CO² problem would not be such an issue. Fewer people=lower oil consumption.

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Recently published analysis of cradle to grave green house gas emissions for vehicles of various drivetrains, in several regions with their respective power production and supply chains.

A GLOBAL COMPARISON OF THE LIFE-CYCLE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS OF COMBUSTION ENGINE AND ELECTRIC PASSENGER CARS
July 2021

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Your Global comparasion neglects the end of life cost.
In that category the EV's far outstrip the ICE vehicles due to the complexities of battery deconstruction.

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I was good enough to provide a link to an analysis. Too bad those on the others side only discussion only feel the need to present opinions without linked comparison studies.

Btw, where you see issues/problems others see money making job producing opportunities

Lithium-Ion Battery Recycling Finally Takes Off in North America and Europe

* This post was edited 08/21/21 10:36am by BCSnob *

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There's a reason we're looking for a suitable planet to visit. I know a little bit about it. In the 60s (yes the sixties) I was a member of a team that was tracking the content of ozone in the atmosphere. We've known about the seriousness of the pollution problem for a long time.


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