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noteven wrote:

Climate discussion Nexus and CO2 Science are a couple of sources for non alarmist info and history. Much of it not based on computer modelling.


Co2 Science appears to be funded by an oil company. It speaks of the benefits of increasing Co2 in the atmosphere.

Nexus appears to be firmly in the climate change denier group--citing Canada as a shining example of technology and lowering emissions.

Here is a quote from Nexus: "As we said in February about record lows across the Northern Hemisphere, “If these were record highs, you know what they’d say: proof of climate change.” And they did. Incidentally the Texas power grid, which underperformed tragically in the ice storms, is now underperforming in the heat wave; are you quite sure renewables can get it done? Because creating energy shortages in Texas is quite an achievement, but not one to boast about. Or blame on fossil fuels, though the Electrical Reliability Council of Texas tried."

They quote "private donations from interested parties" for the seed money to start up.

Clearly both these organizations believe in Santa Claus.

In short, both organizations are apologists for climate change deniers.


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How long have accurate temperature records been kept in Western US and Canada? My semi-educated guess is less than 150 years. I don't see Trapper Joe of Kamloops carrying around a highly accurate meteorological kit in addition to his traps and hides. Given there are 365.25 days in a year you can expect to set a couple of record highs and lows in any given year.
Personally, I will contribute to "global warming" by cranking up the AC. I will add stress to the power grid and probably add to the profits of the fossil fuel industry just like most everyone else. And I will sleep soundly, without a tinge of regret.

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wapiticountry wrote:

How long have accurate temperature records been kept in Western US and Canada? My semi-educated guess is less than 150 years. I don't see Trapper Joe of Kamloops carrying around a highly accurate meteorological kit in addition to his traps and hides. Given there are 365.25 days in a year you can expect to set a couple of record highs and lows in any given year.
Personally, I will contribute to "global warming" by cranking up the AC. I will add stress to the power grid and probably add to the profits of the fossil fuel industry just like most everyone else. And I will sleep soundly, without a tinge of regret.


How earth's past climates are determined:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/nat........ntists-reconstruct-earths-past-climates/

Also, for climate change, one doesn't even have to go beyond the historical record. The increase in average global temperature is obvious just over the period of time records have been kept.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/un........limate/climate-change-global-temperature


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wapiticountry wrote:

How long have accurate temperature records been kept in Western US and Canada?


1868. So your guess was close.

You could go to a mini split air conditioning system to save energy, and over the long run money.

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We know Co2 concentrations back 800,000 years. That's all we need to know.

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Which is the most effective “greenhouse gas”?

1. CO2?

2. Water vapor?

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wapiticountry wrote:

How long have accurate temperature records been kept in Western US and Canada? My semi-educated guess is less than 150 years. I don't see Trapper Joe of Kamloops carrying around a highly accurate meteorological kit in addition to his traps and hides. Given there are 365.25 days in a year you can expect to set a couple of record highs and lows in any given year.
Personally, I will contribute to "global warming" by cranking up the AC. I will add stress to the power grid and probably add to the profits of the fossil fuel industry just like most everyone else. And I will sleep soundly, without a tinge of regret.


Western Canada/ northern US - Hudson Bay Company factors routinely kept weather records at the posts since the 1600’s.

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noteven wrote:

Which is the most effective “greenhouse gas”?

1. CO2?

2. Water vapor?


Answer: CO2, by far. Per kilogram CO2 is about 1000 times more effective at trapping heat than water vapor.

But that is not the answer you were hoping for - next you will try and make the point that water vapor is actually trapping more heat than CO2. However this is a tired argument that has been debunked hundreds of times over.. Who tried to tell you otherwise?

The important thing about water vapor is that it is constantly cycling between surface water (lakes, oceans etc), atmospheric water vapor, clouds, rain, snow, ice etc. The most important factor that determines how much water vapor is in the atmosphere is the temperature of the atmosphere and oceans. If you increase the temperature by trapping heat with CO2, you evaporate more water from the oceans into the atmosphere, where is traps even more heat, magnifying the effect from CO2. This is called a positive feedback and is well understood by scientists.

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Time to move this, it's gone way off any context to rving or camping in Canada or Alaska

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PackerBacker, ATC is strictly for topics NOT related to rving or camping so good call. [emoticon]

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