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Gdetrailer

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Posted: 07/09/21 04:49pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

afinepoint wrote:


When I listed it in the bike forum I did say reasonable offer. Track forums are great places to sell a toy hauler FYI. I also did a full disclosure.

I'll give Craigslist a chance. I'm not prepared to buy at the moment as I'd want another much newer TH and am not ready to shell out $$$$$.

Thanks for all of the great input.

Reg


Toyhaulers are not just for motorcycles, folks with quads, sandrails, golf carts, Jon boats, kayacks and so on may be looking for a toyhauler at a good price.

If it is a big enough toy hauler you might find interest by folks that have smaller antique autos.

Heck, even a large family looking for extended sleeping space and perhaps lots of kids bike storage while traveling that a toyhauler often offers may be interested..

Doubt many of those types of folks will be hanging out just on bike forums.

When selling something, you always advertise to the larger audience, CL will open your ad up to a much larger audience than hanging around on just a bike forum.

As far as price, not many people respond to "reasonable offers" any more, be realistic, price it to sell, that may mean getting pennies on the dollar in some cases but keeping in mind, it is old, it needs considerable work to repair. You have to look at it differently when pricing something to sell.. Apply the "would I pay that price for the condition and age" to it and then drop it a bit lower and start there.

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Posted: 07/10/21 08:48am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Sage thank you. Some of the screws that pin the metal strips to the membrane edge are rusted. I’ve read this is signs of water intrusion via those screws. Camping World supposedly walked the roof and sealed what was needed. Maybe not.

PA I appreciate the thoughts.


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afinepoint wrote:

I’ve looked around the forums but can’t seem to find exactly what I need. We have a 2008 Adventure Manufacturing toy hauler with a roof soft spot of about 1’x1’ in a rear corner and corresponding swelling of garage vertical members directly below. A sunken soft spot has appeared in the floor. This leak was there when we bought it several years ago as I had the dealership replace the very same vertical member not knowing why it was so. Over the years the cancer has grown.

A Camping World in Ashland, Va wanted $16k+ for repairs. In reality I think they didn’t want to deal with it and priced the job accordingly. This far above the trailer’s worth.

Other than a tear in the linoleum and black tank level sensors everything else works. She looks nice inside and out. fix it yourself. go for it if ya got the space and cover to do it. you can do it cheaper and better than any dealer these days. dont get in a hurry and DO IT!!!

Question for the group is this trailer worth a DIY repair? Or let it go. I’ve had it for sell in a motorcycle track forum but no takers. We had hoped to find a Diyer but seems it’s not something people want to deal with.

I consider myself an advanced handyman. I have done roof work, framing, major electrical household wiring - inspected and passed, gas water heater replacement, all manner of floor installation, plumbing, woodworking and major automotive repairs.

I know mostly what I’d be getting into - rotted roof plywood, rotted rafters, possible wall structural member replacement, flooring repairs. Removal of all roof fixtures, membrane replacement, unplanned “surprises “.

What do you guys think? And yes If she was 100% we would definitely be camping.

Reg
fix it yourself. go for it if ya got the space and cover to do it. you can do it cheaper and better than any dealer these days. dont get in a hurry and DO IT!!!

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Posted: 07/12/21 02:17pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Don’t have the space. Listed it in Craigslist. Lots of interest.

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Posted: 07/12/21 02:52pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

afinepoint, might wish to remove the link from your post, moderators most likely will edit or remove posts that appear to advertise..

And yeah, CL should get some interest, unfortunately brings a long a lot of tire kickers and scammers.

Be very careful of scammers wanting to give you a check for more than what you are asking, those scammers will and you to cash the check then send the extra back to them.. Classic scam.

Don't go for the ones wanting you to ship it, those tend to be scams also..

In person only, cash on barrel head.. No funny checks, no gift cards.

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Posted: 07/16/21 08:28am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SOLD - cash

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Posted: 07/16/21 09:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

[emoticon] Good job!

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Posted: 07/17/21 10:18am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

congrats on selling.

So, $16,000 to fix!!!? wow!
Assume $60/hour shop rates, and $1,000 in parts. $15,000 divided by 60/hour is 250 man hours of labor that they quoted you to fix it. That's a little over 6 weeks of one guy working all day, every day (5 days/week full time) for the repair.
I need to get into the RV repair business. I would fix in less than a week....

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mr_andyj wrote:

congrats on selling.

So, $16,000 to fix!!!? wow!
Assume $60/hour shop rates, and $1,000 in parts. $15,000 divided by 60/hour is 250 man hours of labor that they quoted you to fix it. That's a little over 6 weeks of one guy working all day, every day (5 days/week full time) for the repair.
I need to get into the RV repair business. I would fix in less than a week....


You sir, obviously have never repaired a water damaged RV.

I have.

Not once but twice.

The next RV, it will be a complete gut and removal of the box and build fresh from frame up. It can be that bad.

The first TT a 20ft early 1980s, removed all upper cabinets to remove and replace nearly 80% of the roof trusses from the inside. Replaced all the ceiling, the entire front inside paneling and built all new upper cabinets. All work done by myself, spent every waking hr after work and every weekend working on that trailer.. Took 6 months..

The second and current mid 1980s 26ft TT was a total gut job on inside and outside. 95% of the roof trusses were gone, replaced or repaired 25% of the sidewall structure and 100% of the front and rear wall structure.. Repaired two bad spots on the floor to boot.. All new ceiling panels, all new wall panels, built all new upper and lower cabinets, beds, bunks.. All new outside skins and roof. That took 9 months to complete with just myself working every spare waking hr after work and every weekend.

I do not intend to buy a new unit, nor do I plan to buy another used unit. If I were to buy another one, no question and no hesitation, I would remove all the good items and cut the bolts hold the box on and shove it off and burn it and start fresh with all new flooring and all new walls and roof.

Rot knows no boundries and I can assure you, the water damage visible is less than 1% of the over all hidden damage.

If you want to slap a bandaid on it, sure you could patch and go in a weekend, if you want it fixed right and fixed the first time and permanently, nope, not going to happen.

Granted, in the OPs case, the dealer shot a high price out there, it may have been done to discourage the OP (might have been a good idea at that) or it most likely was due to the unknown factor.. The unknown of just how extensive is the damage, once you open up the ceiling, walls and floor you are committed, I would bet that the dealer didn't want to gamble, underbid and take a huge loss..

OP did the right thing since they are not able to do the work themselves, they sold it as a project or parts, someone else bought a project or parts trailer.

It is a losing asset.. You lose money from the second you put your name on the title until the second someone else puts their name on that title. Its a RV, not a sticks and bricks home.

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Posted: 07/18/21 06:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mr_andyj wrote:

congrats on selling.

So, $16,000 to fix!!!? wow!
Assume $60/hour shop rates, and $1,000 in parts. $15,000 divided by 60/hour is 250 man hours of labor that they quoted you to fix it. That's a little over 6 weeks of one guy working all day, every day (5 days/week full time) for the repair.
I need to get into the RV repair business. I would fix in less than a week....



Shop rates, at least at that dealer are well beyond $60/hr. In fact I don’t know of any garage - auto, truck or RV that has rates that low. Everyone I have dealt with are $99/hr+. High end near $150/hr.

The repair estimate from another dealer in 2013 or so was over $4000. Even that price today is greater than the trailer’s value.

My plans now, as I emailed a dealer yesterday, is to wait. Clovid restrictions will relax more and eventually be gone. The current whirlwind of RV buying will mean plenty of used trailers for sale once people go back to their normal vacationing. Sales will drop and dealer inventories rise. There will be some good deals in the not to distant future for the patient. And without the often month’s wait to take delivery of today.

* This post was edited 07/18/21 07:03am by afinepoint *

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