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Posted: 07/27/21 05:34am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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1600lb payload vs 2700lb payload

CTD vs V10... I'd argue that the Ram will pull it better, the exhaust brake will control it better going down hill. I'm trying to remember the last year Ford put a V10 in the Superduty, probably a decade ago? What is the rear axle rating on that F250, compared to the 6500 lbs rear axle rating on the Ram 2500?

You are too focused on an arbitrary advertising number (10,000 lbs GVWR) rather than the actual functionality of the whole truck. But hey, to each his own.


I don't believe the dodge diesel weighs in 1100lb heavier, so even if it was the F250 with diesel, it still provides better payload.

Having a 500hp and 1500ft/lb of torque doesn't really matter if you are limited to a 5000lb 5th wheel.

I'm sure you know better than the manufacturer engineers, so you can exceed the ratings by 70-80% and all will be great.


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Posted: 07/27/21 05:36am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Also that payload capacity indicates, in this case, that the Ford is 1000lbs lighter -- a heavier truck (to be fair, this is a 100% anecdotal claim I've read online, which my personal experience seems to agree with) tends to handle a heavy trailer better in adverse conditions. Much less so with a fifth wheel than a travel trailer, but still...


Wow, the Dodge curb weight runs 8500lb? That's insane. I'm sure it will pull a 5000lb 5th wheel great because it's so much heavier than the trailer.

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spoon059 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

1600lb payload vs 2700lb payload

CTD vs V10... .

Only CTD owners believe that the engine is the only item that matters in a truck.

And that's why the trucks are substandard. The manufacture knows the type of customers that repeatedly buy their future spot welds because the only thing that matters is the CTD.

LOL.

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valhalla360 wrote:

n0arp wrote:

Also that payload capacity indicates, in this case, that the Ford is 1000lbs lighter -- a heavier truck (to be fair, this is a 100% anecdotal claim I've read online, which my personal experience seems to agree with) tends to handle a heavy trailer better in adverse conditions. Much less so with a fifth wheel than a travel trailer, but still...


Wow, the Dodge curb weight runs 8500lb? That's insane. I'm sure it will pull a 5000lb 5th wheel great because it's so much heavier than the trailer.


3/4T trucks are sold as class 2b, which is limited to 10K GVWR (for tax/registration purposes). The Ram is most likely heavier due to the optioning, not just the engine. The Ford could easily be just as heavy with the right trim. GVWR - weight = payload. Edit: found your Ford is a 2008, which easily explains the rest of the difference as all three competitors have gained weight in newer generations.

Fortunately for most owners, they also provide axle weight ratings, which are not artificially capped. You will find the majority of newer 3/4Ts pulling fifth wheels are over GVWR, but a lot of them still under axle ratings. A 6500 RAWR on the Ram leaves around 3K to spare, where all the pin weight sits, without going over either of the axle ratings. So do what you want with that information.

You have a 2008. Newer trucks have grown in almost all metrics, but still have the same 10K cap for class 2b (your truck might even be lower due to the year). The 2016 Ram would most certainly handle any trailer better than your 2008 Ford.

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SirKeats wrote:

So I have a 2016 Ram 2500 Megacab with the 6.7 Cummins. I love it. Great truck.
The problem is that the payload capacity is absolutely horrible at only 1637lbs!!


That said, is there anything that can be done to increase the payload capacity?

Thanks!


The payload capacity is kind of a meaningless number on a sticker found on the door jam of your truck .... that can't be changed. If you want to increase the capability of your truck so it can handle a 3200 lb pin weight you'll have to upgrade your rear suspension. Install a set of air bags.


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Posted: 07/27/21 03:00pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

n0arp wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

n0arp wrote:

Also that payload capacity indicates, in this case, that the Ford is 1000lbs lighter -- a heavier truck (to be fair, this is a 100% anecdotal claim I've read online, which my personal experience seems to agree with) tends to handle a heavy trailer better in adverse conditions. Much less so with a fifth wheel than a travel trailer, but still...


Wow, the Dodge curb weight runs 8500lb? That's insane. I'm sure it will pull a 5000lb 5th wheel great because it's so much heavier than the trailer.


3/4T trucks are sold as class 2b, which is limited to 10K GVWR (for tax/registration purposes). The Ram is most likely heavier due to the optioning, not just the engine. The Ford could easily be just as heavy with the right trim. GVWR - weight = payload. Edit: found your Ford is a 2008, which easily explains the rest of the difference as all three competitors have gained weight in newer generations.

Fortunately for most owners, they also provide axle weight ratings, which are not artificially capped. You will find the majority of newer 3/4Ts pulling fifth wheels are over GVWR, but a lot of them still under axle ratings. A 6500 RAWR on the Ram leaves around 3K to spare, where all the pin weight sits, without going over either of the axle ratings. So do what you want with that information.

You have a 2008. Newer trucks have grown in almost all metrics, but still have the same 10K cap for class 2b (your truck might even be lower due to the year). The 2016 Ram would most certainly handle any trailer better than your 2008 Ford.


https://roadsumo.com/dodge-ram-1500-2500-3500-weight/

According to this, the heaviest Dodge is about 7400lb curb weight...so with a 10,000lb GVWR, that would still give a 2600lb payload if it was just the GVWR...yet the OP indicates his door jamb says 1600lb...that doesn't sound like it's grown and also doesn't seem the GVWR is the limitation.

Most of the 3/4 ton Dodges are in the 6000-7000lb range which if GVWR is the limit would provide 3000-4000lb of payload if your theory was correct. Again, wildly different from the OP's 1600lb limit.

If you were suggesting the OP exceed payload by a couple hundred pounds, I would probably shrug it off as not too critical but recommending he exceed it by 1100lb is moving into gross negligence.

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^It might be ok if you were actually right about what you’re talking about, but alas, you’re not. So in this case, it would be better to not say anything at all.


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Devo the dog wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

1600lb payload vs 2700lb payload

CTD vs V10... .

Only CTD owners believe that the engine is the only item that matters in a truck.

And that's why the trucks are substandard. The manufacture knows the type of customers that repeatedly buy their future spot welds because the only thing that matters is the CTD.

LOL.


Another stunner by Devo….
Do you ever tire of being an angry spiteful person?

Guy was referring to the weight difference and you go off in a roundabout way about your sorry truck again.

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The payload capacity is kind of a meaningless number on a sticker found on the door jam of your truck .... that can't be changed. If you want to increase the capability of your truck so it can handle a 3200 lb pin weight you'll have to upgrade your rear suspension. Install a set of air bags.


This is the real answer from someone who knows and works trucks.
The speculation from the rest of the peanut gallery (aka, the RVnet anti-airbag mafia (you know who you are, lol)) is just that...speculation.

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Grit dog wrote:

^It might be ok if you were actually right about what you’re talking about, but alas, you’re not. So in this case, it would be better to not say anything at all.


Agreed.

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