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Do I care if government requires I produce a government issue card with a chip or stripe that some private sports venue runs through a scanner for my “verification”? As a matter of fact, yes I do.


But do you carry a phone with you? Doesn't even have to be a smart phone, any phone at all. If you do, then the government already knows you're at that sports venue if they care enough about you to track you. And if it's an iPhone or Android, then Apple/Google also know everywhere you've been.

Same problem if you drive a modern car with celluar built-in (even if you don't subscribe to service, it's still going to ping cell towers). And the car's manufacturer can keep tabs on you too.

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honestly. I'm torn. I am also vaccinated. i got vaccinated so i wouldn't have to worry about spreading , or contracting covid. THAT was my motivation. I don't care if a person takes it or not. That was my reason for taking it.

However. Now it appears I have wasted my time. Now it is been determined that you have the same risk vaccinated or not. so why take it.

As for vac passports. Unless the US privacy (HIPPA) laws have been changed. It is unlawful for a person to ask, or require a person to provide any health records, for any reason. ANY of my health records. As far as I know. The HIPPA law has NOT been changed.


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Terryallan wrote:

honestly. I'm torn. I am also vaccinated. i got vaccinated so i wouldn't have to worry about spreading , or contracting covid. THAT was my motivation. I don't care if a person takes it or not. That was my reason for taking it.

However. Now it appears I have wasted my time. Now it is been determined that you have the same risk vaccinated or not. so why take it.


You're much better off being vaccinated:

CDC study shows unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid...The new study also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than people who got the shots.

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As for vac passports. Unless the US privacy (HIPPA) laws have been changed. It is unlawful for a person to ask, or require a person to provide any health records, for any reason. ANY of my health records. As far as I know. The HIPPA law has NOT been changed.


That's a common misconception, HIPAA doesn't prevent a business from asking about your vacination status, it only regulates health care providers.

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/01/102350967........ate-hipaa-consumer-health-expert-explain

From that article: I mean, you hit on the biggest one, which is that people just generally think that HIPAA protects all health information at any time for any purpose whatsoever, no matter who is involved. And that's absolutely not true. It does not cover restaurants. It does not cover stores. It does not cover your employer. And it doesn't cover you personally.

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Posted: 08/24/21 07:08pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The OP’s post is about vaccine passports in Canada, there is no HIPPA in Canada.

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Can US citizens get a card in advance to make entry and travel easier?
Count me in.


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This is nothing new. It was not that long ago when we required shots for one thing or another in order to travel to all kinds of countries.

We did not complain. We did not carry on about evil conspiracy theories.

Get used to it. Covid is here to stay for quite some time. If we want to travel we will need more than a passport.


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PackerBacker wrote:

The OP’s post is about vaccine passports in Canada, there is no HIPPA in Canada.


It is still illegal in Canada to share a patient's medical status and data with others, in most cases.

One exception is, for example, if you had advanced parkinsons disease. Then the doctor is required by law to let the government licensing office know, so that a mandatory driver's test can be administered. If you pass--you get to keep your license.

Another would be if the patient had a deadly disease such as Ebola.


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pianotuna wrote:

PackerBacker wrote:

The OP’s post is about vaccine passports in Canada, there is no HIPPA in Canada.


It is still illegal in Canada to share a patient's medical status and data with others, in most cases.

One exception is, for example, if you had advanced parkinsons disease. Then the doctor is required by law to let the government licensing office know, so that a mandatory driver's test can be administered. If you pass--you get to keep your license.

Another would be if the patient had a deadly disease such as Ebola.


yes but the tricky part is a shot is not a medical record. we have had "needle passports" since long before I was a child. you had to show them to the schools, you have to show them when going to some countries and so on. the major difference is that this "shot" is a preventitive nd not a sickness, so it is not concidered a "medical record" as a lot of people think. But the sticky part is, that there is a clause in the constitution that says you cannot force a medical treatment on some one and the lawyers and such need to decide if this is a medical treatment or as I said just a preventitive. either way this is why the digital pasoports are coming out as they are not forcing any treatment or denying essential services, only requiring you to have your shots for optional activities.

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Unlike British Columbia and Quebec, Ontario for some reason is reluctant to issue vaccine passports and appears to be waiting for federal government action. This probably won't happen during the midst of a federal election.[emoticon]

HERE is a link to a site that allows you to print out your vaccination status. It's the only option right now for Ontario. It pales in comparison to the official document and/or mobile phone app approach used in BC and QC.


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Posted: 08/25/21 07:50am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

rlw999 wrote:

noteven wrote:


Do I care if government requires I produce a government issue card with a chip or stripe that some private sports venue runs through a scanner for my “verification”? As a matter of fact, yes I do.


But do you carry a phone with you? Doesn't even have to be a smart phone, any phone at all. If you do, then the government already knows you're at that sports venue if they care enough about you to track you. And if it's an iPhone or Android, then Apple/Google also know everywhere you've been.

Same problem if you drive a modern car with celluar built-in (even if you don't subscribe to service, it's still going to ping cell towers). And the car's manufacturer can keep tabs on you too.


My comment was about the difference between a human being viewing a photo documnent and a paper document to verify both belong to the same person

vs

"Apps" and scanable "passports" being recorded by whoever

It had nothing to do with physical whereabouts.

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