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Posted: 08/28/21 02:03pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Interesting to me is that dogs are bound to adapt to the traits of the owner.
If the owner is nervous, the dog will be nervous. If the owner is agressive the dog will be aggressive. If the owner is laid back the dog will be laid back.
The owners personality will be an influence before any socialization even begins!


I disagree with that. I don't see like creates like in the personality of dogs.

An aggressive owner is just as likely to instill nervousness and fear into their dog as they are aggression. A nervous owner is just as likely to have an aggressive dog as a nervous one. And some dogs are well adjusted despite all the well meaning efforts of the owner.

IMO, creating a unbalanced dog has more to do with not understanding the breed/puppy, failure to build a strong bond of trust between owner and dog, and/or abuse or trauma.

And an aggressive or nervous dog can become a well adjusted dog with trust and understanding.

I agree and agressive or nervous dog can be retrained but the nervous, aggresive or high strung owner does not realize these traits within themselves. They often are not aware there nervousness is being tranfered to the dog.
If you remain calm and relaxed the dog will remain calm and relaxed.
If you are high strung and hyper the dog will inherit these traits.
The dog develops the owners attitude. This applies to socializing as well. The dog will be as well socialized as the owner.
If the owner is outgoing and friendly these traiits will be reflected in the dog. If the owner is not outgoing the dog is not going to be outgoing.
I understand the dogs start with their own traits and personalities, but from there the owner influences the dogs behavior with their own behavior


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Lantley wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

Lantley wrote:

Interesting to me is that dogs are bound to adapt to the traits of the owner.
If the owner is nervous, the dog will be nervous. If the owner is agressive the dog will be aggressive. If the owner is laid back the dog will be laid back.
The owners personality will be an influence before any socialization even begins!


I disagree with that. I don't see like creates like in the personality of dogs.

An aggressive owner is just as likely to instill nervousness and fear into their dog as they are aggression. A nervous owner is just as likely to have an aggressive dog as a nervous one. And some dogs are well adjusted despite all the well meaning efforts of the owner.

IMO, creating a unbalanced dog has more to do with not understanding the breed/puppy, failure to build a strong bond of trust between owner and dog, and/or abuse or trauma.

And an aggressive or nervous dog can become a well adjusted dog with trust and understanding.

I agree and agressive or nervous dog can be retrained but the nervous, aggresive or high strung owner does not realize these traits within themselves. They often are not aware there nervousness is being tranfered to the dog.
If you remain calm and relaxed the dog will remain calm and relaxed.
If you are high strung and hyper the dog will inherit these traits.
The dog develops the owners attitude. This applies to socializing as well. The dog will be as well socialized as the owner.
If the owner is outgoing and friendly these traiits will be reflected in the dog. If the owner is not outgoing the dog is not going to be outgoing.
I understand the dogs start with their own traits and personalities, but from there the owner influences the dogs behavior with their own behavior


Again, I disagree. Dogs can't "inherit" traits from their owners. They may feed off an emotion, but that has more to do with lack of trust and training than anything else.

Look at all the little yappy aggressive dogs owned by lazy people. The dog didn't "inherit" a lazy personality. Rather the dog was raised without structure and became hyper and aggressive.


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And an aggressive or nervous dog can become a well adjusted dog with trust and understanding.

We have one such dog in my puppy kindergarten class. Thursday was our 4th meeting. The dog is finally calming down and becoming a good K-9 citizen. We all had doubts but the group and the trainer worked together to help her behave.


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Again, I disagree. Dogs can't "inherit" traits from their owners. They may feed off an emotion, but that has more to do with lack of trust and training than anything else.

Look at all the little yappy aggressive dogs owned by lazy people. The dog didn't "inherit" a lazy personality. Rather the dog was raised without structure and became hyper and aggressive.


I think we are saying the same thing. The difference is your point is the bad inherited behavior can be offset with proper training. I agree with you there.
However as you pointed out the dog may feed off emotion. Until someone stops feeding the dog these disruptive emotions the dogs continues to be influenced and behave according to the owners emotions/traits.
This training you speak of never happens for most dogs. The owners are generally umaware of their own questionable behavior they certainly don't see how their own traits influence the dog.
Those lazy prople you refer to, do not provide any additional training for the dog.
The dog simply lives their life feeding off the emotions of the owner. If the owners emotions are poor/questionable. Unless there is some sort of intervention/training, the dogs behavior will be poor/questionable.
In the long run unless the lazy owner hires a trainer the dog will only be as well socialized as the owner.

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OK. I agree with this. Yes, a dog can be INFLUENCED by the owner's traits. But how that materializes in the dog is dependent upon the individual dog. It's not a simple "nervous owner = nervous dog". It's not that a dog inherits the owner's personality or traits - it's that an individual dog will react to an individual owner's behavior/attitude.

But that reaction will be different dependent upon the individual dog's personality. And on the efforts of the owner to socialize and appropriately handle the dog.

A dog owner who fails to provide socialization, training, and security to a puppy will create a problem dog. But how that problem develops has less to do with the owner's personality and more to do with the dog's personality. An overbearing strong willed puppy is more likely to become aggressive than a timid eager to please puppy - regardless of whether the owner is timid or overbearing.

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LOL, I have Collies the Will Rogers of the dog world. To them strangers are friends they haven't met yet. My Collies get a lot of interaction in our travels. By the time Sawyer was 2.5 years he had been to 29 states. Very seldom do I travel without them. Sasha is a little more skittish and reserved. She waits for Sawyer to make first contact before she joins in. That said I'm kind of selective on what dogs I let them interact with.

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