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FishOnOne wrote:

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Ram's 4wd system disengages the front axle completely when not in use unlike the Ford system which keeps the front axle spinning at all times, but locks the hubs when power to the wheels is needed.


Fords U joints/axles only turn in 4wd. That's the beauty of having locking hubs on the front axle. There is after market locking hub upgrades for a Ram.


I stand corrected. I was under a different impression. I am not a fan of Ford's auto hub system though. Sold a lot of them back in the say when I worked at a Ford dealership and every person that I know who has them have had them fail to move the the wheels in auto. Most recently my father in law with his 2019 about a two years ago trying to get out of the sand in Port A. Same happen with my brother's 2012 multiple times. Worked great a few times, but had to get out and actually lock them most of the times.

This is why I am not a fan of auto locking hubs. Out of the hundreds of times I used my 4wd in my Ram at the farm, deer lease, and elsewhere, it has never failed. But the first time my father in law used the auto locking hubs in his new truck, he had to get out and actually lock them. Due to the design of the Ram's 4wd system, I see not need for locking hubs and an upgrade to one would be pointless unless you want to add more complexity to your system.


On my last two Super Duty's with a combined ~ +400,000 miles I never had a failure or a glitch with engaging my 4wd system, and I literally switch them to 4wd when I drive in to my hunting ranch whether it's rain or shine just to simply lube the transfer case and splash some lube around in the front diff which means I probably engaged 4wd thousands of times and never had a problem. On another Ford forum I read it's like a never reported problem.


I guess my father, father in law, brother, brother in law, wife's uncle, and multiple friends must be doing something wrong along with all those people I sold hubs to back in the day.

Edit: A quick look up of our hub sales and service from our nine Ford dealers shows that we still sell quite a few of them. If you are not having issues then that is awesome, but many still are.

* This post was edited 09/10/21 06:20am by ShinerBock *


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cummins2014 wrote:

mudfuel07 wrote:

My LB SRW 3500 does this in 4wd. It hops like crazy when I try to turn, don't notice it in 2wd. Don't know if it does in on pavement or not, never tried 4wd there. Taken it to the dealer a couple of times and they said it's normal. My SB never did it.


Every truck I’ve had if the hubs are locked and it’s in 4 wheel drive the front tires will grab or hop on dry pavement . That’s normal .

Never tried it on dry pavement, always on soft dirt and sand. I'm not blowing out something out.


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ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

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Ram's 4wd system disengages the front axle completely when not in use unlike the Ford system which keeps the front axle spinning at all times, but locks the hubs when power to the wheels is needed.


Fords U joints/axles only turn in 4wd. That's the beauty of having locking hubs on the front axle. There is after market locking hub upgrades for a Ram.


I stand corrected. I was under a different impression. I am not a fan of Ford's auto hub system though. Sold a lot of them back in the say when I worked at a Ford dealership and every person that I know who has them have had them fail to move the the wheels in auto. Most recently my father in law with his 2019 about a two years ago trying to get out of the sand in Port A. Same happen with my brother's 2012 multiple times. Worked great a few times, but had to get out and actually lock them most of the times.

This is why I am not a fan of auto locking hubs. Out of the hundreds of times I used my 4wd in my Ram at the farm, deer lease, and elsewhere, it has never failed. But the first time my father in law used the auto locking hubs in his new truck, he had to get out and actually lock them. Due to the design of the Ram's 4wd system, I see not need for locking hubs and an upgrade to one would be pointless unless you want to add more complexity to your system.


On my last two Super Duty's with a combined ~ +400,000 miles I never had a failure or a glitch with engaging my 4wd system, and I literally switch them to 4wd when I drive in to my hunting ranch whether it's rain or shine just to simply lube the transfer case and splash some lube around in the front diff which means I probably engaged 4wd thousands of times and never had a problem. On another Ford forum I read it's like a never reported problem.


I guess my father, father in law, brother, brother in law, wife's uncle, and multiple friends must be doing something wrong along with all those people I sold hubs to back in the day.

Edit: A quick look up of our hub sales and service from our nine Ford dealers shows that we still sell quite a few of them. If you are not having issues then that is awesome, but many still are.


There's a difference between a hub and a locker and I think you have the two confused. I've had to replace my passenger side hub a few years ago because the bearing was making a noise. The drivers side is still original with 222k miles.


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FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:


Ram's 4wd system disengages the front axle completely when not in use unlike the Ford system which keeps the front axle spinning at all times, but locks the hubs when power to the wheels is needed.


Fords U joints/axles only turn in 4wd. That's the beauty of having locking hubs on the front axle. There is after market locking hub upgrades for a Ram.


I stand corrected. I was under a different impression. I am not a fan of Ford's auto hub system though. Sold a lot of them back in the say when I worked at a Ford dealership and every person that I know who has them have had them fail to move the the wheels in auto. Most recently my father in law with his 2019 about a two years ago trying to get out of the sand in Port A. Same happen with my brother's 2012 multiple times. Worked great a few times, but had to get out and actually lock them most of the times.

This is why I am not a fan of auto locking hubs. Out of the hundreds of times I used my 4wd in my Ram at the farm, deer lease, and elsewhere, it has never failed. But the first time my father in law used the auto locking hubs in his new truck, he had to get out and actually lock them. Due to the design of the Ram's 4wd system, I see not need for locking hubs and an upgrade to one would be pointless unless you want to add more complexity to your system.


On my last two Super Duty's with a combined ~ +400,000 miles I never had a failure or a glitch with engaging my 4wd system, and I literally switch them to 4wd when I drive in to my hunting ranch whether it's rain or shine just to simply lube the transfer case and splash some lube around in the front diff which means I probably engaged 4wd thousands of times and never had a problem. On another Ford forum I read it's like a never reported problem.


I guess my father, father in law, brother, brother in law, wife's uncle, and multiple friends must be doing something wrong along with all those people I sold hubs to back in the day.

Edit: A quick look up of our hub sales and service from our nine Ford dealers shows that we still sell quite a few of them. If you are not having issues then that is awesome, but many still are.


There's a difference between a hub and a locker and I think you have the two confused. I've had to replace my passenger side hub a few years ago because the bearing was making a noise. The drivers side is still original with 222k miles.


Lucky you , when I priced the OE replacement, the hell with that , and replaced with two aftermarket hubs , and ended my problems .

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^By “hubs” you all mean unit bearings, right?
Anyway, carry on. OP hasn’t provided any updates or responses to different suggestions or even narrowed down to front or rear axle afaik.

So why not argue about how Rams CAD sucks and Fords auto vacuum locking hubs also suck.
When neither would make the truck do what the Op is trying to fix even if they failed, locked in, if the truck was still in 2wd.

* This post was edited 09/11/21 12:26pm by Grit dog *


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