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Posted: 09/04/21 01:31pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I'm a free market and a capitalist...but...

There are times when intervention is needed to protect those being bullied.

Like Martin Shkreli of the Turing Daraprim debacle and the Poster Girl is Heather Bresch of the EpiPen debacle...where they, in a pure capitalistic manner, raised the price on life-saving drugs...just because they thought they could up the price from a few hundred bucks to thousands of bucks overnight.

That is when one of our socialistic protection agencies, The SEC, took those two to court and won. Shkreli is still in prison and IIRC Bresch resigned.

As for government mandated min wage...I'd prefer to let the market decide, and competition is the greatest leveler.

A mandated min is a 'on size fits all' and doesn't work.

As a $15/hour min wage in big cities is not going to help (many already are there and even higher), but in a small, rural town...the line to apply for a job paying that would be around the corner.

The great and common leveler for those foreign countries (socialist, communism, dictatorship, etc.) has happened (USSR) and is currently working its way through China (albeit that government has a tighter hold on citizens than USSR)...and that leveler is discretionary time & money.

For once the population reaches that...they expect much more freedom that they gave up to 'help lift their country up from the depths of poverty'

As for production shutting down...one big component mentioned earlier, but decided to list some images that is happening all over the US port cities.



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The problem over the minimum wage is that folks have lost sight of what it is, and was.
Does flippin burgers for 8-10 hours in a 110 degree kitchen suck?
Answer is yes, and IT SHOULD.
People nowadays seem to think flippin burgers or running a cash register is a career.
NEWS ALERT IT's NOT
The fact that those jobs suck is supposed to be a motivator to make the poor schmuck working them get some training so they can have a better job with higher pay.
But the "Fight for 15" crowd is too stupid and lazy to get the training or think hard enough to get the better job with higher pay, and we are expected to make up for their deficiencies.
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wanderingaimlessly wrote:

The problem over the minimum wage is that folks have lost sight of what it is, and was.
Does flippin burgers for 8-10 hours in a 110 degree kitchen suck?
Answer is yes, and IT SHOULD.
People nowadays seem to think flippin burgers or running a cash register is a career.
NEWS ALERT IT's NOT
The fact that those jobs suck is supposed to be a motivator to make the poor schmuck working them get some training so they can have a better job with higher pay.
But the "Fight for 15" crowd is too stupid and lazy to get the training or think hard enough to get the better job with higher pay, and we are expected to make up for their deficiencies.


Another example of Americans needing to be more skeptical about what they are told
Every time I see or hear something like this I have to wonder; Has the speaker ever spent a day on a auto assembly line? Or working in a coal mine? I worked putting the same 2 bolts in holes, and tightening a couple somebody else put in for 4 shifts back in the late '60s. Not real fulfilling work, under comfortable conditions. But many thousands of people that where working that line had rewarding lives because the work paid enough for them to have a middle class lifestyle, they worked to live, not lived to work.
Most people think "flipping burgers" is only a afterschool job for highschool kids. News flash, that has never been true. And a little logic would prove that, if you just look at their open/closed sign. How many are closed 7-3:30 weekdays? A very high percentage of the labor bill of a fast food place goes to adults, many who hold the job because the can get off when school is out, take care of their kids.
Now I mentioned coal miners and auto workers for a reason. Read a little history, what was working conditions before UAW, and miners unions forced the companies to raise the pay of workers. A very small percentage of the workers advanced to "better jobs" This was what caused the greatest growth in middle class in this country. And to this day everybody that works for their money only works because of the spending power of the middle class.
Now explain how the mother flipping buggers to feed her family is less deserving of a living wage than the man hanging fenders on a model A?

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JRscooby wrote:

Now explain how the mother flipping buggers to feed her family is less deserving of a living wage than the man hanging fenders on a model A?

Its not that the PERSON is less deserving of a "living wage", its that the JOB doesn't justify it. I'm tired of hearing the sob stories. I live in one of the more expensive counties in the country. Average home prices for a smaller rambler are close to $600K. The progressive politicians are always trying to guilt the tax base into thinking that everyone DESERVES to live in one of the most expensive counties in the country... they don't.

Just like *I* don't deserve to live in the most desirable and expensive neighborhoods, so I live in a smaller, older, less desirable neighborhood because that is what *I* can afford. If I ascribed to your theory, I should demand to be able to live in the $850K houses by the water instead of my $450K house in an older and smaller neighborhood that's further out.

And "living wages" back 30 years ago didn't have to pay $200/month for cable, $100/month for cell phone and didn't have $400K in student debt hanging over their heads. An average and safe vehicle didn't cost twice as much as starting pay in their field of work. Energy prices weren't nearly as high, and President Biden wasn't closing down American production and driving costs up back then either.

There are many, many things at play here when we talk about "living wages" and costs to live comfortably in society. We didn't have these luxuries even 15 or 20 years ago.

I drive a used car, bought a smaller and older house, stream our tv instead of paying exorbitant prices for cable, we cook our own meals most of the time, don't pay for Uber Eats, we don't have the newest and fanciest iPhone every year, etc. Its amazing how much further your money goes when you make little adjustments like that. I'm sure I said it up thread as well, but my wife stays at home to raise our kids. We made sacrifices but still have a comfortable life because we are smart about where we spend our money.

When I was 21 and making pizzas, I couldn't afford this. I went out and found a CAREER type job (without a college degree) and live comfortably, but not to excess. I've worked very hard and made difficult decisions to get where I'm at. I believe that I deserve my little older house more than that single mother who just flips burgers. Call me cold and callous, but decisions have consequences. She could move to the middle of Kansas and be able to afford more house than she could in my county.


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