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While doing a little online research, I stumbled across a couple videos of newer trailers from a popular brand, that really made me step back. Both videos were of the underbelly. In both cases the lining was peeled back and you could see the water lines and wiring just laying there, unprotected or even fastened down. The holding tanks were held in with just a strap stretched between cross members, and secured with what looked like a self tapping bolt. There was a 2" heater vent to the compartment, but there was virtually no insulation aside from that foil sheet. I can't imagine that working very well in freezing conditions, and one of the owners was complaining about how quick it froze up.

On the other hand, my 17yo entry level trailer has all water lines except the low point drains inside away from the cold. The tanks are all supported by stout cross members securely bolted directly to the main I-beams. The only wiring and plumbing on the outside is necessary. The rest is inside.

I really want a new RV, but they're making it tough. Granted, I could correct the shortcomings of those new trailers fairly simply, but why should I have to? Especially at the price points these guys expect!

OK, rant over.


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Posted: 09/08/21 10:27pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Know what you are saying!! We had a 2004 19T4 for many years, and even though it was considered a low priced entry level trailer, it was well built. AND, had many features (we found out later on a 2010 Jayco!!) that were standard, not optional!! Auto changeover LP regulator (Jayco was manual!!), bed platform was solid, finished edges, smooth surface for mattress (Jayco was single piece of plywood, raw, unfinished)!!!! Never was under the trailer as to tank mounting, but do remember the Jayco fresh tank almost fell out!! Galvanized 2" strap sheet metal screwed to the frame members (half pulling out)!!!

Pioneer - $10K new, Jayco - $18k new!!!!

Our Outdoors is very well built, but has had some minor construction glitches that never had with the Pioneer!!!


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Posted: 09/08/21 10:41pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

TurnThePage wrote:

I really want a new RV, but they're making it tough. Granted, I could correct the shortcomings of those new trailers fairly simply, but why should I have to? Especially at the price points these guys expect!

OK, rant over.
OK did you just rant about low quality and high price?

There are some better RVs.... they cost even more. Most buyers want a low price at any cost. And that drives the quality down.


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Posted: 09/08/21 11:29pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

We have owned 3 trailers, all three were junk.. the worst of the bunch was a BigFoot 25'


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Crappy build quality isn't anything new - It's been endemic in the RV industry since the earliest days.

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Sorry sports but my 2003 R-Vision fiberglass trailer light with rear bunks and front queen bed (28 Foot long) lasted me for over 15 years of cross country towing in the Rockies and west coast mountains from Texas to Oregon, California and Nevada and other states without any major mechanical or appearance issues whatsoever and with only a few minor issues I repaired myself plus minor damage from road debris.

This included setting on storage lots in hot Texas and Nevada sun and heavy snows/ice in Oregon and Nevada when not in use not to mention heavy Oregon and Texas rains. No RV covers ever used and no overhead protection on the lots. No leaks or delamination period. Of course the TT was not loaded with a bunch of electronic junk.

Unlike others I maintained the TT well throughout each year of ownership.

I sold my TT and heavy 2002 Dodge Ram 2500 V10 4x4 when I saw everything I wanted to see up and down the scenic west coast and including most of Texas and other states of the west. RV dealer in Nevada paid me good money for this 15 year old trailer so there you have it. Cheers

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We owned several TT's for 20 years before moving to a C. Our 2012 Salem by Forest River TT, as we were loading it for the first time, I noticed a large group of wiring being STRETCHED across a thin piece of paneling, which was CUTTING THE WIRES. You could have used them as a guitar they were so tight.
The dealer could not get me in for 3 or 4 weeks at the time to even look at it. After quickly dismissing "adding length" to the wires, I spent a day dissassembling part of the kitchen cabinets in order to cut a relief in the panel and make room so the wires would not be cut/stretched. Not happy about that.

In our C, I noticed wires hanging underneath, with wire nuts, just dangling. A few times driving in the rain would destroy the connection...I ended up fixing those wires by soldering them and hiding them up higher. Our C is a Jayco.

Quality is no longer JOB 1 (I know, that's a Ford saying). In the end, I think a lot of us modify/fix/re-design as needed. Which is part of "making it your own".


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It seems like these "heated basements" are an excuse to no longer insulate the floor. I guess I'm glad that I made my own "heated basement", and my budget trailer came from the factory with an insulated floor.

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Still loving my 21 year old Nash TT--about 1/3 of the 75k miles on my F150 were all fun, as in towing the TT all over So Cali, Eastern Sierras and now Oregon (about 3k miles thus far in the PNW).

All water lines are inside the well insulated rig and no problems to speak of. Except I decided to replace the roof membrane last year--it looked sad and since I had more money than time, I paid to have the roof done. I had the axles flipped and replaced the toilet valve about 5 years ago, and oh yeah the front window cover cracked about a year after purchase and Nash sent me a free replacement.

You do get what you pay for.

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They sure don't make them like they used to. I like my old DP

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