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Timmo!

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Posted: 10/09/21 10:25am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

free radical wrote:

Timmo! wrote:

Which evil is more acceptable?

Oil spills or forest fires attributed to electrical powerlines?


Fyi
80% of forest fires are started by humans. The rest by lightning.

Powerlines are nowhere near as dangerous.


I guess you don't believe that PG&E was responsible for any of those fires in Cali.

Just saying if history is an indicator of future performance and when transmission lines are tripled in size to achieve "zero emissions by 2050", then we should expect 3 times the number of fires caused by PG&E, et al.

If PG&E has a silver bullet that will prevent transmission line fires, then where is it?

BTW, we all know BC Power is the standard for clean power (hydro), but that model will not work in Cali (no water).

And there are parts of North America (USA & Canada) the primary source of power generation is coal (not hydro), and we all know and agree a BEV's batteries charged with electricity sourced from coal is no cleaner than a ICE vehicle.

...In other words, the carbon parity breakeven point is not likely to be achieved.

If all petroleum production is outlawed, then BEVs cannot be manufactured (period).

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Ya need a pair of chest waders to negotiate this thread lol.


This ‘outta sight, outta mind ‘lack of consensus… I would submit this is the result of a lack of objective scientific review, thus a woefully disengaged citizenry…

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3 tons,

Some of us have the ability to debate without the need to go personal and afterwards, we share beers with each other (loser buys first round).

While some hate their opponent (it's all personal) and fight like there's no tomorrow. The idea of having a beer with their opponent is, well....a foreign thought.

Funny thing, so far in my lifetime: tomorrow always came and eventually, there's always been a change of guard.

Lol, and payback is a mutha_______!

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You Buying at the beer summit ??

3 tons

Upon edit, “ Ya need a pair of chest waders to negotiate this thread lol.”
What do you think the implications of ‘chest waders means’??

* This post was edited 10/09/21 03:42pm by 3 tons *

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3 tons wrote:

You Buying at the beer summit ??

3 tons

Upon edit, “ Ya need a pair of chest waders to negotiate this thread lol.”
What do you think the implications of ‘chest waders means’??


We grew up on a large farm and typically wore a good pair of boots when we cleaned out the barns, chest waders are essentially very high boots lol.

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Fyi
80% of forest fires are started by humans. The rest by lightning.

Powerlines are nowhere near as dangerous.

Some might disagree:

The Camp Fire was the deadliest and most destructive wildfire in California's history, and the most expensive natural disaster in the world in 2018 in terms of insured losses....Ignited by a faulty electric transmission line.

Camp Fire - California


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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

Electricity versus petroleum includes more than motor vehicles. There are so few examples of all electric homes outside California and perhaps Texas and Florida that obtaining sample data is frustrating.

Do *any* of you know what it takes to HEAT a 2,000 sq foot home when the Delta T is one hundred degrees? People scream in agony when they receive a bill for cooling a home with 30 degrees Delta T. Drop it to 60T or 40T

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instead of your silly stick houses,you could heat and cool it for peanuts.

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Free Radical,

In case you missed it (doubt you'll find it on HuffPost)....

SAN FRANCISCO — Pacific Gas & Electric was charged Friday with manslaughter and other crimes after its equipment sparked a Northern California wildfire that killed four people and destroyed hundreds of homes last year, prosecutors said.

It is the latest legal action against the nation's largest utility, which pleaded guilty last year to 84 counts of involuntary manslaughter in a 2018 blaze ignited by its long-neglected electrical grid that nearly destroyed the town of Paradise and became the deadliest U.S. wildfire in a century.

...PG&E, which has an estimated 16 million customers in central and Northern California, filed for bankruptcy protection in 2019 after its aging equipment was blamed for a series of fires, including the 2018 Camp Fire that killed 85 people and destroyed 10,000 homes in Paradise and neighboring communities.

...PG&E also remains on criminal probation for a 2010 pipeline explosion in the San Francisco Bay Area city of San Bruno that killed eight people, giving a federal judge oversight of the company. The judge and California power regulators have rebuked PG&E for breaking promises to reduce the dangers posed by trees near its power lines.

The company has acknowledged that its equipment may have played a role in sparking this summer's Dixie Fire, which has burned nearly 1 million acres and is now the second-largest wildfire in state history.


https://www.npr.org/2021/09/24/104063053........aughter-charges-california-wildfire-zogg

And earlier, I posted a link to an article that PG&E caused over 1500 fires during in the past 6 years.

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Fyi
80% of forest fires are started by humans. The rest by lightning.

Powerlines are nowhere near as dangerous.

Some might disagree:

The Camp Fire was the deadliest and most destructive wildfire in California's history, and the most expensive natural disaster in the world in 2018 in terms of insured losses....Ignited by a faulty electric transmission line.

Camp Fire - California


In last years annual Calif forest fires, it was reported that PG&E still had transformers in use that dated to 1929, and that the reason their grid system was in considerable need of upgrade was because the State had previously forced PG&E to redirect sizable amounts of their resources to fund so called ‘Green initiatives’, forcing grid maintenance to be deferred…On the eastern Sierra slope (near my Nevada residence) Calif no longer maintains it’s fire trails (now mostly impassable) nor do they clear up decaying forest debris, while heavy dense smoke and ash drifts into neighboring States (impacting other’s health) and million of acres of Calif forest land are thoroughly immolated - an annual reoccurrence …These months long fires are likely the #1 source of Calif carbon production, yet, their carbon production is conveniently ignored and exempted from Calif’s own industry regulated carbon calculations, a fee based carbon trading and credit gambit that entirely dismisses forest fire carbon emissions… One dimensional Policy makers try to conceal actual fire causes (conveniently pointing to the Global warming boogyman) while pre-occupied with solar and wind activism..
Still no empirical science exist (or has been publicly disseminated) to support their tenured Bureaucratic activism, and no accountability exist whatsoever for their intransigence or forest management malfeasance …

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Pics of smoke from Dixie Fire (caused by PG&E) blowing eastwardly....

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https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/our-imp........s/analyzing-smoke-californias-dixie-fire

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