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noteven

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Posted: 10/12/21 11:07am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

wtf does “Homey” mean?

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Posted: 10/12/21 11:25am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Timmo! wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Timmo! wrote:

If a solar panel is manufactured using electricity generated from coal (China), how "green" is it? Are there "greener" options?
You remind me of the guy that can't fix anything because he has no workbench. And no workbench to build a workbench.


Nah, a value based consumer. If I'm going to pay a premium for a particular "benefit", then I want to make sure I maximize the value of that "benefit".

In other words, if reducing carbon emissions is the "benefit", then I want make sure one of the qualities is very low low carbon emissions during it's entire lifecycle (manufacture -> use -> disposal).

Some people focus strictly only on "use" and disregard the mountain of carbon emissions produced by greedy, profit-driven Chinese factories (manufacture)...and what winds up in our landfills, aka Mother Earth(disposal).

I look at the entire cost: monetarily and socially, cradle to grave.
So we should not build solar panels until we have electricity from solar panels to build them?

I keep thinking to eliminate coal we should build the panels. Otherwise we will just be using coal indefinitely.


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Posted: 10/12/21 01:07pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Timmo,

So buy Canadian or buy USA.


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Posted: 10/12/21 02:27pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

noteven wrote:

wtf does “Homey” mean?
It means the the person speaking is at a loss for words or is presenting a weak argument so needs a distraction.

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Posted: 10/12/21 05:00pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

time2roll wrote:

noteven wrote:

wtf does “Homey” mean?
It means the the person speaking is at a loss for words or is presenting a weak argument so needs a distraction.


nahhhhh it means the person is flirting with you.

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Posted: 10/12/21 05:01pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I see that Canadian Solar is now making a 580 watt panel. It is approximately 93 inches long and 53 inches wide. It should fit on my class C. In fact perhaps 3 or even 4 would fit.

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Posted: 10/12/21 07:33pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

“But keep up on those conspiracy theories. That foil hat should continue to protect you from progress.”

Lol on that Sir, Your personalized pejoratives are no substitute for intelligent discourse (R.I.P) - But I suggest that there’s a significant logic gap between ‘smarts’ and ‘wisdom’…Note that it’s often the ‘Smartest folks’ (fully immersed in idealism rather than vocational wisdom gained from experience…) that have guided us to near-endless and unfolding policy precipices across the realm…(simply review Western History).

Either way, you might consider a cursory review of my previous…Note, that I have absolutely zero dislikes whatsoever for either BEV’s, battery tools or solar…My points have only to do with: (disparage or deflect as you choose) …

1) No objective science exist to support the suggestion of a lowered carbon production (e.g. the policy lurch towards BEV’s).
2) ‘Forced’ neighbor-to-neighbor purchase subsidies (minus supporting science) equates to vote harvesting).
3) An already overly taxed grid that likely cannot sustain a ‘rapid’ mass transition to BEV’s….Solar-wind is Great as long as it happens, but now (per the OP’s original post) add EV trucks to the mix!
4) No public dissemination of or review of the supporting carbon reduction science - no scientific peer review of such equates to a Rasputin-like practice of scientism…
5) Policy by unilateral edicts rather than by input from an informed public - should not the public be informed ?? (this is not how a democracy is designed to work) - Hey, what could possibly go wrong - lol…

What I find ‘generationally alarming’ is a general lack of policy curiosity enquiry, maturity and engagement, and a near complete and willing submission to unfounded green mandates - While (I’ve read here…) there are those here who seek to impose forfeiture of one’s Individual Rights upon others for the ‘perceived greater good’ of the collective…Sadly, Skepticism (aka, ‘the Socratic method’ - seemingly displaced by the inertia of popular narratives (aka, Group-think)…Skepticism is no longer deemed fashionable or even permitted…It’s unclear what this wholesale trend of “my way or the highway” will mean for or dear progeny - will they also not be inquisitive??… From my perspective, this type of ‘new think’ is a particularly poor, results based example of our uber costly, post-modernist curricula investment…A study of western history will verify my concerns, but then again who’s much concerned about history anywaywhen it’s far easier to outsource one’s own critical thinking skills…

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* This post was edited 10/12/21 07:50pm by 3 tons *

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Posted: 10/12/21 07:52pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

First mandate we can get rid of is the corn to motor fuel requirements. Is that a political power grab too? I always hear the political momentum starts in Iowa.

I agree the EV subsidies can expire on schedule of the original law that has served the purpose.

BTW I believe the grid will do just fine. Not sure why the words "uber costly" as I understand solar and wind produce electricity at the lowest cost.

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Posted: 10/12/21 08:29pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

time2roll wrote:

BTW I believe the grid will do just fine.

You mean the grid that has been suffering brown-outs and black-outs for decades in the most populous areas? That grid?


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Posted: 10/12/21 08:51pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Bobbo wrote:

time2roll wrote:

BTW I believe the grid will do just fine.

You mean the grid that has been suffering brown-outs and black-outs for decades in the most populous areas? That grid?
I can mostly only speak for the greater Los Angeles basin and we have been doing just fine thank you very much. Never had a brown out and the last black out was the peak Enron days.
Upgrades are progressing every single day.

I have heard rumors even TX has been making improvements.

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