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toedtoes wrote:

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It might be difficult to implement, but I really like the idea of a suspension period for those that habitually cancel reservations.


I figure there will always be 5-15 percent who will always cheat the system regardless of the penalties. For the rest, once they are inconvenienced by the penalties, they will fall back in line - at least until a new easy way to cheat is discovered.

For the most part people are lazy and want instant gratification. They resort to cheating the system because it gives them fast results. They go in and make a bunch of reservations and cancel what they don't want - much easier than trying to book just what you need and constantly having to check for an opening. The money is nothing to them (buying $5+ coffees, $5000 shoes, etc, while working an entry level job is not money-smart).

By eliminating the instant gratification and ease of cheating, many will stop. So, even if the "suspension" only works 70 percent of the time, a high percentage of those people will stop the cheating. And that at least makes some difference.
7 or 8 different usernames and passwords and even if they suspend one account for a year I got plenty of other usernames to fall back on. In my opinion the best thing you can do is make canceling expensive, no exceptions. You'll piss off the guy with the true emergency cancellation (BTDT) but if the policy is up front, known, and agreed to by making a reservation, then they have no argument. Doesn't stop anyone from still gaming the system, just makes them pay high price to do it. Michigan does it that way but the cancellation fee could be a little steeper in my opinion; doubling or tripling them would cut out a lot of nonsense.

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IMO, a suspension period would work along with a stepping scale cancellation fee. It would be an additional step to help stop those who don't care about the monetary punishment.


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Toedtoes -- good idea, step-up the suspension period, a week, then two weeks, then a month, then a season. Also, step the fines too, ten percent, twenty-five percent, fifty percent, complete reservation fee.

IF people cheat the system at a cost to other campers, it's gotta hurt, otherwise, it won't curb the cheating.


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monkey44 wrote:

Toedtoes -- good idea, step-up the suspension period, a week, then two weeks, then a month, then a season. Also, step the fines too, ten percent, twenty-five percent, fifty percent, complete reservation fee.

IF people cheat the system at a cost to other campers, it's gotta hurt, otherwise, it won't curb the cheating.


I was thinking more that the suspension period would be at least a season.

Simply because if someone books twelve 14-day reservations, then changes the first to just the two weekends, a one week suspension won't bother them - because they have 22 more weekends booked.

If the suspension lasts a full season, then all their weekends get pulled. They lose all their advantage from cheating. Suddenly they are facing the same dilemna that they were trying to avoid - having to find a spot last minute.

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I was trying to be less harsh for some stupid reason - then you posted and woke me up. Second thought, yes, entire season, and loss of entire reservation fee. Cheaters need penalties that hurt them as much as they hurt other campers.

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monkey44 wrote:

I was trying to be less harsh for some stupid reason - then you posted and woke me up. Second thought, yes, entire season, and loss of entire reservation fee. Cheaters need penalties that hurt them as much as they hurt other campers.


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All this talk about suspension for a full season is great, but it will never happen. The parks actually have to care first about enforcing such a thing, and lets be honest, they largely don't care.

But, it is interesting to debate. Having said that, I vote for full year suspension for the state of residence, plus all states that have borders with state of residence.

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Don't make up rules that can't be enforced.How do you suspend someone?
THe offender will just make reservations in the wife's name. Then the son, brother, sister etc. Is the plan to suspend the entire family?
Simply cancel the entire reservation and enforce 1st day show up rules.
It's not foolproof but it will tighten the loophole.
Yes you could cancel and try to re-book but that is not guaranteed.


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Thanks for all the replies so far. Good to know others are seeing the same thing...

Taking all the replies in, I feel like a combination would be best. 1- all or nothing cancelation and 2- your LAST day (not the first) has to be the full period out. So here in PA the period is 11 months to the day. The "to the day" part needs to be your date of departure. Should at least level the playing field for those of us trying to get weekends.

Thanks again all!

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Lantley wrote:

Don't make up rules that can't be enforced.How do you suspend someone?
THe offender will just make reservations in the wife's name. Then the son, brother, sister etc. Is the plan to suspend the entire family?
Simply cancel the entire reservation and enforce 1st day show up rules.
It's not foolproof but it will tighten the loophole.
Yes you could cancel and try to re-book but that is not guaranteed.


If they book 14 days at the 6-month out point (or whatever the earliest point is), they can simply wait until right before their arrival date then cancel and immediately re-reserve for the weekend. They will have a 99 percent chance of successfully getting the spot. So it won't do anything to eliminate the problem.

I do get what you are saying about the suspension. It would require a level of enforcement that isn't practical these days. But, maybe with technology it isn't that far off.

I also think that, at least for public campgrounds, change will happen if the public voices their displeasure with the status quo.

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