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Rocky2 wrote:

OK folks, let's all take a deep breath. No where in the text of the actual bill does it mention or allude to generators. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346
It does specifically address small, gas powered equipment like lawn mowers and leaf blowers. Small is the operative word.


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Finally. The only thing worse than the fumes is the noise.


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I suspect most small engine tools will eventually migrate to battery-powered equipment ... and a work truck bed or a battery trailer will contain a battery bank to connect and charge the small portable batteries that operate small blowers, trimmers that recycle and charge during the work day.

Similar to battery tools in the construction industry that have migrated from air tools and cumbersome hoses to battery-powered tools. That work truck will recharge its batteries overnight for the following day.

As now, the batteries are charged with onsite electric, new technology will allow these large (heavy) battery banks to charge the smaller tool batteries quickly.

So, we go from large rechargeable battery banks to small rechargeable portable battery-operated tools.

Sounds a little absurd today ... but noise pollution and air pollution will eventually require changes we might not immediately visualize at this stage of battery technology.

Remember the size and efficiency of the first computers compared to what we hold in one hand today.

If monkey44 could mimic a Rod Serling voice, he'd say: 'Imagine, if you will, a bio-device that internally reproduces an energy force and charges itself, replacing the phone/computer we all carry around today. [emoticon] [emoticon]


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Timmo! wrote:

Wanna be a "trillionaire"? Then invent a battery operated generator.

Especially one that functions during power outages.

Let's go Brandon!


Uh, got one. 400 watts of solar panels that keep 250 amp hour battery bank charged to feed a 2,000 watt PSW inverter. Not gonna make me a trillionaire, but I’ll sell the entire rig to ya for a mere million.





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Timmo! wrote:

Wanna be a "trillionaire"? Then invent a battery operated generator.

Especially one that functions during power outages.

Let's go Brandon!
I built my own for home emergency use. I am sure it could power a commercial landscaper (one truck of equip) for the day.
Still not a trillionaire.

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Timmo! wrote:

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California will soon ban the sale of new gas-powered leaf blowers and lawn mowers, a move aimed at curbing emissions from a category of small engines on pace to produce more pollution each year than passenger vehicles.

Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a new law on Saturday that orders state regulators to ban the sale of new gas-powered equipment using small off-road engines, a broad category that includes generators, lawn equipment and pressure washers...


https://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Cali........tually-ban-gas-powered-lawn-16522118.php


Poster -and quoted article- needed to define *gas powered*!!
Does "gas" powered mean *gasoline*??

I think it does.
However, (IMO) it doesn't mean natural gas or propane.

Converted all my *generators* to either of the above (or both)
long ago due to the ethanol in gasoline.

Sure - if you remember - use appropriate additive -or- shut off the gasoline and run until supply in carb is gone.

Forget?? - - It's time for "Benny and (clean the) The Jets", LOL

BTW - The CA Gov should ban ethanol !!
My old cars and motorcycles (and me) would be happy!

Darn Happy -
when many/most CA cities banned obnoxious gasoline powered leaf blowers! - (Including the one where I live)

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43018.11. (a) (1) By July 1, 2022, the state board shall, consistent with federal law, adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. Those regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, or as soon as the state board determines is feasible, whichever is later.
(2) In determining technological feasibility pursuant to paragraph (1), the state board shall consider all of the following:
(A) Emissions from small off-road engines in the state.
(B) Expected timelines for zero-emission small off-road equipment development.
(C) Increased demand for electricity from added charging requirements for more zero-emission small off-road equipment.
(D) Use cases of both commercial and residential lawn and garden users.
(E) Expected availability of zero-emission generators and emergency response equipment.
(b) Consistent with the regulations adopted pursuant to this section and relevant state law, the state board shall identify, and, to the extent feasible, make available, funding for commercial rebates or similar incentive funding as part of any updates to existing, applicable funding program guidelines for districts to implement to support the transition to zero-emission small off-road equipment operations.


Bold emphasis mine. The earliest this will be effective is 2024. And there are built in exemptions for emergency response equipment. In addition, it is all based on whether zero-emission options are available. What this type of legislation does is 1) encourage companies to develop zero emission options and 2) convert the low hanging fruit (ie, more people will buy electric lawn movers and leaf blowers instead of "dirty" ones.

It does not say "gas powered" - the regulation is based on the actual emissions. According to the bill, these small off road engines produce more emissions in one hour than a non-electric/hybrid vehicle produces over 1,100 miles of drive time (or 1.47 hours driving at 75 mph). If manufacturers reduce those emissions in their products significantly, then that can extend the timeline.

It's amazing how many folks get their panties in a twist over something they've never bothered to actually read.


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Rocky2 wrote:

OK folks, let's all take a deep breath. No where in the text of the actual bill does it mention or allude to generators. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346
It does specifically address small, gas powered equipment like lawn mowers and leaf blowers. Small is the operative word.


Hmmm, I know many of us wish your words are true.

But, the bill, AB 1346 does include the word "generator".

And the legislative analysis contains the following:

While the author's intent seems focused on lawn and garden equipment, ARB's existing SORE definition is based on engine size and includes a much broader range of equipment types than lawn and garden equipment. According to ARB, the largest SORE contributors to smog-forming emissions in its jurisdiction are generators, followed by leaf blowers, lawn mowers, riding mowers, trimmers, chainsaws, and pressure washers. There are several more equipment types using ARB-regulated SORE with less significant total emissions.


...As noted above, ARB staff currently proposes a longer lead time to get to a zero-emission standard for generators.


https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml

Sorry gas generators are destined for the chopping block, eventually.

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toedtoes wrote:

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It does not say "gas powered" - the regulation is based on the actual emissions. According to the bill, these small off road engines produce more emissions in one hour than a non-electric/hybrid vehicle produces over 1,100 miles of drive time (or 1.47 hours driving at 75 mph). If manufacturers reduce those emissions in their products significantly, then that can extend the timeline.

It's amazing how many folks get their panties in a twist over something they've never bothered to actually read.


LOL, if they're not talking about gas powered engines, then pray tell what?

If one reads the legislative analysis, one will discover gas powered engines is exactly what they are targeting.

According to the Author
Today, operating the best-selling gas-powered commercial leaf blower for one hour emits air pollutants comparable to driving a 2017 Toyota Camry from Los Angeles to Denver. Smog-forming emissions from small engines will surpass those from passenger vehicles this year. We must look beyond transportation if we are to achieve the emissions reductions needed to fight climate change and improve air quality and health in our communities.

Arguments in Support
Supporters state: There are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE that are regulated by ARB, generally electric alternatives that run on batteries or plug into an outlet. Many users, including over half of household users, have already begun the transition to zero-emission equipment…AB 1346 recognizes that California must look beyond gas powered vehicles to achieve the emissions reductions needed to meet our state's environmental goals, fight climate change, and improve health in our communities by reducing air pollution.


https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml

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Does not appear the law bans a citizen from buying out of state and bringing the generator here.


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