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Posted: 10/15/21 07:51am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Here's the deal, there's no "magic" involved. It's all about weight. If one camper weighs 5000lbs and another camper weighs 5000lbs, one camper is not going to need suspension upgrades while the other one does.

Lance 1172 vs Host Cascade, they are not even close to the same camper. The Host is a smaller lighter camper by almost 800lbs.

Regardless of what you buy, it is not going to create a dangerous situation out of the box. You can load it at the dealer, take it home, even take it on a trip or two, and figure out what suspension modifications you need. Don't try to guess at what you might need. All the suspension mods do is level out your truck.


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Grit dog wrote:

toddb wrote:

Skip the band aids and go to kelderman.


And you’re buying? Lol.


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We ordered the Host Everest. Due for delivery April 2022. For now, we will have the Torklift tie downs installed with stableloads. Drive home ( over Snoqualmie Pass ) and see if we need anything else.

Our trips are mainly to the Tucannon area, the St Joe River in Idaho, and Babb, Montana.


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toddb wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

toddb wrote:

Skip the band aids and go to kelderman.


And you’re buying? Lol.


I already did [emoticon]


I’m sure the OP is very grateful for your gesture…


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wjlapier wrote:

We ordered the Host Everest. Due for delivery April 2022. For now, we will have the Torklift tie downs installed with stableloads. Drive home ( over Snoqualmie Pass ) and see if we need anything else.

Our trips are mainly to the Tucannon area, the St Joe River in Idaho, and Babb, Montana.


May as well get a big sway bar while your at it.

Go put 2 pallets of bricks in the back and see how much it sags. Bout the same weight as the camper, except the campers center of gravity will be considerably higher. Same amount of dead load compression. A lot more live load body roll.

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Grit dog wrote:

wjlapier wrote:

We ordered the Host Everest. Due for delivery April 2022. For now, we will have the Torklift tie downs installed with stableloads. Drive home ( over Snoqualmie Pass ) and see if we need anything else.

Our trips are mainly to the Tucannon area, the St Joe River in Idaho, and Babb, Montana.


May as well get a big sway bar while your at it.

Go put 2 pallets of bricks in the back and see how much it sags. Bout the same weight as the camper, except the campers center of gravity will be considerably higher. Same amount of dead load compression. A lot more live load body roll.

Going to need the sway bar and a whole lot more to carry the Everest comfortably/safely.

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Ride home from Monroe, WA was smooth most of the way. Took 203 to I-90 then I-82/12 to Walla Walla. Some heavy wind around Yakima which pushed us around a little but mostly an easy drive back. All we had installed were the stable loads. This is on a 2019 Silverado 3500HD DRW.

The tailgate had to come off ( question in another thread ).

Weight is a concern we are wondering about. 100lbs over already and nothing loaded in the camper. Hate to upgrade the truck already since we got it last fall. Just curious how much folks go over payload max.

* This post was edited 05/21/22 04:36pm by wjlapier *

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My guess almost everyone is over GVWR for all types of RVs. Bigger RVs just carry a lot more stuff.

Some people go 1000 or more over, but the question is how much do you want to go over and are you over the axle ratings? Where you weighed, did you have axle weights? My guess is you are good on axle ratings considering it is a DRW.

Also, if you ever tow something with a trailer, the tongue weight will work against your GVWR. If you were full of water/propane, you are nominally off. Many people estimate their stuff to be 500-1000. Water can be around 500 lbs on most Hosts, and a full fuel tank is significant as well.

I used to carry my current TC on a SRW. It made a huge difference if I had dumped the grey/black. I have no idea how much you’ll notice on your truck, or if the black or grey tank is farther forward on your floorplan.

If you want to be under GVWR sticker, a trade is in your future.


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Congrats on the new camper!
Little late to be concerned about weight but ….
Not to worry. Did you hit a scale? Host lists 3900lb bare weight. If typical adders apply, it’s maybe sitting at 4500lbs. Add 1000lbs for your “stuff” and you’re still sell within your axle and tire ratings.
May want that extra help of airbags and or a sway bar in the future though.
Fwiw, emptied our TC couple years ago. Everything for a family of 4 including extra camping gear, enough fishing gear for 10 people, lol and a likely above average amount of tools etc.
Total was a half dozen huge Rubbermaid tubs. Maybe 300lbs of stuff.
Figure we probably pack 100lbs + of food and drinks, 150lbs of clothes and 400lbs of water, that is 1000 lbs and the camper was full in every nook n crannie save for room for clothes.

You have nothing to worry about. Enjoy the summer!

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wjlapier wrote:

We ordered the Host Everest. Due for delivery April 2022. For now, we will have the Torklift tie downs installed with stableloads. Drive home ( over Snoqualmie Pass ) and see if we need anything else.

Our trips are mainly to the Tucannon area, the St Joe River in Idaho, and Babb, Montana.


I see you bought already... some good points where made here:

1. Weight is weight. (it does not matter which brand it is)
2. Get the camper loaded and do a test drive FIRST before you spend any money on suspension aids as the test drive will tell you:

A) Are your headlights pointing correctly? A camper will make most trucks 'squat' a few inches. How much is to much depends on the truck. IMHO: having oncoming traffic flash their headlights at you when you have the low beams on is to much.

B) Do you have 'to much' sway? Having a top heavy load like a modern camper in the bed will induce sway. Some people can tolerate more than others.

C) While loaded up ready for camping is the truck level side to side? Some campers place more weight on one side then the other.

While there are many folks that simply add tie downs (and optional 7-pin in the bed) and drive their truck ASIS/ASWAS from the factory, others do all sorts of suspension aids to help solve issues A-C above.



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