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Posted: 10/16/21 02:06pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Gdetrailer - I share your concerns around driving as a secondary activity to texting, eating, talking on hand held phone, poking at an on board computer screen etc etc for sure.

I don't think DRL should be mandated - I ran with lights on before it was mandated in Canada, I drove for 2 trucking companies that required running lights on before it was mandated.

If people want to run with less visibility than they could have that's fine. The vehicle that doesn't see them due to blending with a background might be substantially larger and cream them a good one.

The other control we don't use correctly in USA and Canada much is the "visual horn" or momentary high beam flash on the high low beam multi switch.

It is a major affront to the other driver to flash your high beams "do you see me?" as they are driving in your lane passing without enough room.

And oh lord if you use them as in Europe - "I am travelling at much higher speed than you and am overtaking" or "I am overtaking you" on a 2 lane

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Those people you mention are probably doing "other" things or just plain expecting the rest of the world to accommodate their inability to concentrate on the right things to do, in other words careless. That's why I like my dash cam, my story, their story and the facts.

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Mich upnorth wrote:

What I do is put a piece of tape on the dash sensor and turn the lights on automatic, that way headlights and taillights are on all the time.

Me too, both vehicles.


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Posted: 10/16/21 04:47pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I think if I get to a point that I can't see a car in the daylight without it's light's on it is time for me to STOP driving.


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Bird Freak wrote:

I think if I get to a point that I can't see a car in the daylight without it's light's on it is time for me to STOP driving.

Studies show that, even during the day, drivers detect a car with its headlights on further than a car without them on. "On a clear day with good visibility, an approaching car can be seen from about 2,500 feet away. With headlights on, it increases to 4,700 feet." So, maybe its time for you to stop driving.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1994-06-25-9406250196-story.html

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Here in rural Oregon--where bicyclists "share the road" with "heavy metal" vehicles weighing thousands of pounds, particularly down roads without a posted speed limit...majority of us drive with our lights on.

Seems most cyclists wear rear view mirrors and will scoot to the right shoulder--if they see you. Then sometimes, there are those that will challenge their 100 lb bike frame with the metal of a 6000 lb truck and not budge an inch.

What's this have to do with running light? Most cyclists on the rural roads have "running lights" (front and back) and are seen well advance; those that don't--hard to see em at dusk. (Someone will be the windshield and someone will be the bug).

When we lived in the burbs--the idea of driving with running or headlights on during daylight was a stupid idea, but here in the land of rural roads, driving with headlights on is a must. Safety first.

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DRL's were extensively tested in the USA, especially for accident reduction. The results are why they are not federally required, and the drawbacks could be even worse, as reported here. DRL's are not headlights, they are much dimmer. Here in MT we do have some sections of road where headlights are recommended, might even be required, one of them is the road from Livingston to YNP, a very high accident area. I remember MANY truck fleets, for many years, had "Lights On For Safety" painted on them. Full brightness headlights are the way to go.

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Here in Canada it is mandatory to have DTRl, it really makes a difference, now you can see the on coming vehicle from far away.
The lates vehicle models have all LED lights that are very bright that look front marker light.

All US vehicle that are imported to Canada from the US need to go in for safety and DTRl are on the list to be operational.


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spoon059 wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

I think if I get to a point that I can't see a car in the daylight without it's light's on it is time for me to STOP driving.

Studies show that, even during the day, drivers detect a car with its headlights on further than a car without them on. "On a clear day with good visibility, an approaching car can be seen from about 2,500 feet away. With headlights on, it increases to 4,700 feet." So, maybe its time for you to stop driving.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1994-06-25-9406250196-story.html
If you have to see a car at 4,700 ft away to have time to react YOU should stop driving.

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It seems I have found more nonsense than common sense in my post. The idea that on sunny day the lights would make a difference maybe not so much but on the gray day in a misty rain near dusk they definitely could save many lives and do. All GM products have had them for years but the other American vehicles don't it seems.
I really can't believe some of the reply's here as being nothing short of nonsensical.


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