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time2roll

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time2roll wrote:

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Solar panels... very quiet.
Very true...you can't even hear the air/con blower going because it's not.
Many do have this curious obsession with air conditioning.


Hey if you are happy to sleep in 95F and high humidity, you are a better man than I.

Also, we have had park power go out in those conditions, so grid power is a far from perfect solution.

Can you throw $10k at a solar system and get part time air/con, sure but a lot simpler and more reliable to just get a generator.


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valhalla360 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Solar panels... very quiet.
Very true...you can't even hear the air/con blower going because it's not.
Many do have this curious obsession with air conditioning.


Hey if you are happy to sleep in 95F and high humidity, you are a better man than I.

Also, we have had park power go out in those conditions, so grid power is a far from perfect solution.

Can you throw $10k at a solar system and get part time air/con, sure but a lot simpler and more reliable to just get a generator.


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Can you throw $10k at a solar system and get part time air/con, sure but a lot simpler and more reliable to just get a generator.


Define part time.

I could run my roof air for more than 3 hours in 2009. Cost of the system to do so was less than $2000. Cost for panels and charge controller was $6.64 per watt. Now panels are well under a dollar a watt (lowest price I ever saw was $0.26 per watt). My battery bank was 7 marine batteries @ $700.00. They lasted 12 years. The inverter was a Cobra 2500 watt MSW but rated to run motors.

So that same system would be much cheaper.

In the meantime battery technology has also improved dramatically.

I do have a generator but my costs for generators since 2000 total over $12,000.00. One died, 2nd one was nearly totally useless, 3rd one was stolen, 4th is now in a security cage.

The generator that lasted the longest was number one, a Kipor with a 10 year life span. I did have to have it serviced locally twice for very little money. It was also the 2nd cheapest.

I use the generator extremely sparingly.

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valhalla360 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Solar panels... very quiet.
Very true...you can't even hear the air/con blower going because it's not.
Many do have this curious obsession with air conditioning.


Hey if you are happy to sleep in 95F and high humidity, you are a better man than I.

Also, we have had park power go out in those conditions, so grid power is a far from perfect solution.

Can you throw $10k at a solar system and get part time air/con, sure but a lot simpler and more reliable to just get a generator.
95 and humidity I will have utility hookups and no generator running and will be very happy.

Grid goes down? Not going to carry a generator for that. Don't have one for my home either.

$10,000? You overpaid.

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pianotuna wrote:

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Can you throw $10k at a solar system and get part time air/con, sure but a lot simpler and more reliable to just get a generator.


Define part time.

I could run my roof air for more than 3 hours in 2009. Cost of the system to do so was less than $2000.00. Cost for panels and charge controller was $6.64 per watt. Now panels are well under a dollar a watt (lowest price I ever saw was $0.26 per watt). My battery bank was 7 marine batteries @ $700.00. They lasted 12 years. The inverter was a Cobra 2500 watt MSW but rated to run motors.

So that same system would be much cheaper.

In the meantime battery technology has also improved dramatically.

I do have a generator but my costs for generators since 2000 total over $12,000.00. One died, 2nd one was nearly totally useless, 3rd one was stolen, 4th is now in a security cage.

The generator that lasted the longest was number one, a Kipor with a 10 year life span. I did have to have it serviced locally twice for very little money. It was also the 2nd cheapest.

I use the generator extremely sparingly.


I just have to lol at the lengths some will go to , to try and make a point. Even so far as to basically admitting you bought cheap stuff, or got unlucky and paid way too much.
Guess if I was gullible enough to spend $12k on what could have been like $900 I might be in favor of something different as well.
BTW, this is one of the most ridiculous arguments y’all have made up , in a while….just sayin.


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The whole point of having a generator is so you don't have to make compromises like restricting yourself to campsites with full hookups in hot weather - or only staying in the RV at night to avoid daylight heat - or insisting on campsites with full sunlight exposure during peak solar hours.

If altering your lifestyle to accommodate your solar system's limitations convinces you that your system is practical and makes you happy, that's fine - Just don't expect the average RV'er to accept those same beliefs.

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Everything is a compromise. I value quiet and no fumes over location. Or I will tolerate the heat. Maybe I will be back when the season changes. Or maybe book a hotel with room service.

Enjoy the generator.

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Skibane wrote:

The whole point of having a generator is so you don't have to make compromises like restricting yourself to campsites with full hookups in hot weather - or only staying in the RV at night to avoid daylight heat - or insisting on campsites with full sunlight exposure during peak solar hours.

If altering your lifestyle to accommodate your solar system's limitations convinces you that your system is practical and makes you happy, that's fine - Just don't expect the average RV'er to accept those same beliefs.

I have a built in genset. But here in the east there is limited boon docking. For the most part you cannot just camp on open land. Camping is done at public or private CG's. They all have restrictions on genset use.
Yes I use my genset to wally dock occaisionally.
Or I may camp at a friends property or meet boating friends at a marina.
I also may use my genset for lunch stops or roadside breaks.
I could easily replace my genset with a A/C capable solar system and not miss a beat. I seldom if ever run my genset 24/7 for days on end.
As far as others altering their camping lifestyle yes it will happen.
Now that solar systems are coming factory installed of course you will see many more adopting solar. Much in the same way residential fridges have become much more common than 10 years ago.
People will adapt to new technology.
Of course solar is not for everyone, no more than residential fridges are for everyone. However as solar continues to grow and develop, solar will certainly have a game changing impact in the RV world


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pianotuna wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:



Can you throw $10k at a solar system and get part time air/con, sure but a lot simpler and more reliable to just get a generator.


Define part time.

I could run my roof air for more than 3 hours in 2009. Cost of the system to do so was less than $2000. Cost for panels and charge controller was $6.64 per watt. Now panels are well under a dollar a watt (lowest price I ever saw was $0.26 per watt). My battery bank was 7 marine batteries @ $700.00. They lasted 12 years. The inverter was a Cobra 2500 watt MSW but rated to run motors.


3hr is wildly different from 16-24hr per day.

Keep in mind, it's not just the cost per watt of the panels. You have to find mounting systems. Also, a battery bank sufficient to run longer periods can force you to move up to a heavier duty truck...which costs more.

Yes, to get reliable full time air/con on solar is technically possible but not practical.

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