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Posted: 11/13/21 05:41am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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I've heard that in a few years Auto Braking will be required by law. Maybe that's OK but, I don't know how that works and I wonder if it will be a pain in the butt sometimes ?? How far from stuff will it begin to apply the brakes and how hard ?


Auto braking is already on semi trucks and ABS sensors on the trailers.

From experience, the braking starts picking up about 100' away (the following too close beeper starts about 250')which makes it hard when a truck or even a car cuts in too close when at speed on the interstate it will kick off the cruise control.

The trailer ABS systems are nothing but tire eaters. Where we come out of the chicken plant I load at, the road has a dip that if you are going to fast(according to the sensor)it applies the trailer brakes and locks them up.Nothing like turning left across a 4 lane road at 15 mph and trailer tires lock up and and leave their mark on the road. Somehow it senses the trailer leaning and thinks it's going to tip.


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My dad relied on all that stuff on his 21 Lexus. He had dents on all four sides before I “stole” it from him.



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Posted: 11/15/21 05:18am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yes, it begs the question. Exactly who is responsible for the safe operation of the motor vehicle, the human driver OR the adaptive electronic features of the vehicle? BTW I'm a retired commercial pilot.


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I'm guessing it depends on the operational system at the time. In a way the same as planes with auto pilot. Your in the seat,but if a problem arises you need to take control.
A pilot has more time per say to react with usually way less tragic results. Tesla has had a few problems,and if I remember right,only once was the driver charged.

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Once these technical robots begin driving for us - then only the batteries will ever get charged. And a driver will always 'get off' on technicalities.

Tech warning systems - GREAT. Driving my vehicle for me, NO THANKS...


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Is it perfected, I'd argue it's not... But I appreciate some of the technology unloading some of the responsibility

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IMO as long as the vehicle requires the operator to have a state-issued license in order to operate the vehicle,...it follows that the safe operation of the vehicle is in the hands of the operator. Equipment of many description can be turned into lethal weapons. I can name a few examples, but then it might become argumentative.

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I read that UBER was trying robotic cars and had ... problems

And as noted up thread
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-identifies-12th-tesla-assisted-systems-car-crash-involving-emergency-vehicle-2021-09-01/

Though as also noted not the same system as GM's

I will say this: used to have a friend named Jim who kept telling me "Computers do not make mistakes".... His job.> Fixing the computer when it made mistakes.


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atreis wrote:

There's a point in life when one has to put down the keys... I'm (hopefully) quite far from that point, still being solidly middle-aged with kids in high school, but would really like to be able to maintain independence a little longer once I do reach that point, and see self-driving cars as a means to that. I hope they get there.


Ed, a true Car Guy, would hand over his car keys only with a gun at his head; but admits that self-driving vehicles could certainly be our saving grace as we get old and feeble. But for now - we are fiercely resisting.....LOL!

Re the GM commercial - I too found it scary, especially when they show it towing a trailer. My brain immediately wonder how that will react if the trailer has a blowout. Will the self-driving vehicle see flashers ahead and smoothly pull a lane over? Does it understand that in the fall, deer are on the move and more likely to jump out at you? Or can it notice the poorly-secured load on the truck ahead of you? (I realize the caveat is that the person with their butt in the driver's seat is supposed to be paying attention; but I suspect they won't be) IMO, there's too many things that can happen while driving - a real human brain is still required.

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My brain immediately wonder how that will react if the trailer has a blowout. Will the self-driving vehicle see flashers ahead and smoothly pull a lane over? Does it understand that in the fall, deer are on the move and more likely to jump out at you? Or can it notice the poorly-secured load on the truck ahead of you? (I realize the caveat is that the person with their butt in the driver's seat is supposed to be paying attention; but I suspect they won't be) IMO, there's too many things that can happen while driving - a real human brain is still required.


Driving millions of miles dodging idiots holding a steering wheels, I have to wonder about your expectations that a human is more likely to react better than the machine to blowout, flashers or deer?

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