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enblethen
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When a driver is waiting for his truck to be loaded, he is off the driving clock!
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enblethen wrote:When a driver is waiting for his truck to be loaded, he is off the driving clock!
Yes, this is true. He is "On duty, not driving" And after 14 hours from log on duty, no how many hour/miles you have driven, you must log 10 hours of sleeper or off duty before you can drive again.
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
Being a Construction Superintendent I required everyone to be able to communicate in the language of English on my job sites. It was all about being able to instantly communicate in an emergency situation. Never had an issue with this policy.
One of the things I'm doing in my Facebook jail time (I got to hurry and finish) is taking the Incident Command System 100 and 200.. They talk about the use of a single plane language (American English never confuse what we speak with English. it's not, it's close, but it's not what they speak in London (The One in England) I talk to them often enough to know.
But no codes. We don't say 10-4 or QSL (Mean the same thing) We say "Acknowledged" or Confirmed.
why? Well imagine two agencies working together on an incident, One calles in oh,, let's make something up> I've got a Murphy here (Meaning I need help in a hurry) and the other says I've got a 100 here (meaning the same thing) Well the two agencies don't realize it's the same thing but "I need help fast" .... is universal. .
NOTE: no agency I've ever worked worth uses either of the codes I made up for this post.. though I suspect may know Murphy comes from "Murphy's Law and other reasons why things go wrong"
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Cummins12V98 wrote:ford truck guy wrote:I have seen the trucking industry take a 180 degree turn over the past 35 + years... The old hands are not driving anymore, its a new age of driver, and not one I agree with...
With all the regulations, there has been a huge uptick of old drivers retiring and new, non English speaking drivers coming in.. I don't have a problem with them, its the fact that most cannot read English either which is a problem in many ways.
I would bet that we take 12 or 15 trucks a day in just 1 or our warehouses, and I bet 2 or 3 of them cannot hardly back into the 14' wide bay door. Then once unloaded, we have to go through all the paperwork and determine what is ours as they have NO CLUE... I have met a few, non English speaking drivers that were awesome, they are now working for us, and speaking English ( kind of )
Being a Construction Superintendent I required everyone to be able to communicate in the language of English on my job sites. It was all about being able to instantly communicate in an emergency situation. Never had an issue with this policy.
I was a fabrication manger in a steel company , and if I had that policy , you wouldn’t see any bridge railing or guardrail ,or safety end treatments on a good portion of the highways and freeways here in the western states . I have been retired going on 12 years, and even then about the only guys I could hire to stick around were not English speaking. I may add also the majority of those men were the best I had . Loyal , and hard working , and glad to have a job .
I had one that spoke good English , and was one of my foreman’s , it worked out great .
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cummins2014 wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:ford truck guy wrote:I have seen the trucking industry take a 180 degree turn over the past 35 + years... The old hands are not driving anymore, its a new age of driver, and not one I agree with...
With all the regulations, there has been a huge uptick of old drivers retiring and new, non English speaking drivers coming in.. I don't have a problem with them, its the fact that most cannot read English either which is a problem in many ways.
I would bet that we take 12 or 15 trucks a day in just 1 or our warehouses, and I bet 2 or 3 of them cannot hardly back into the 14' wide bay door. Then once unloaded, we have to go through all the paperwork and determine what is ours as they have NO CLUE... I have met a few, non English speaking drivers that were awesome, they are now working for us, and speaking English ( kind of )
Being a Construction Superintendent I required everyone to be able to communicate in the language of English on my job sites. It was all about being able to instantly communicate in an emergency situation. Never had an issue with this policy.
I was a fabrication manger in a steel company , and if I had that policy , you wouldn’t see any bridge railing or guardrail ,or safety end treatments on a good portion of the highways and freeways here in the western states . I have been retired going on 12 years, and even then about the only guys I could hire to stick around were not English speaking. I may add also the majority of those men were the best I had . Loyal , and hard working , and glad to have a job .
I had one that spoke good English , and was one of my foreman’s , it worked out great .
Don’t get me wrong…. I do not care if they can speak English or not, as long as they are legal…
When it comes to drivers, I for the life of me cannot figure out how they received their CDL “A” without being able to read?? And I would think that being able to read street signs would be a benefit…
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I do care as when I explain how I want a project done and it gets done wrong when someone says they understand and in reality they don’t it gets very expensive. If I try to tell someone not to push short PCs of wood thru the table saw between the fence and blade and they loose a finger because they don’t understand that is not okay!!!
Don’t tell me “I” should learn other languages!!!
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ford truck guy wrote:
When it comes to drivers, I for the life of me cannot figure out how they received their CDL “A” without being able to read?? And I would think that being able to read street signs would be a benefit…
There are two ways this can happen.
One ... Some states you can get a "Translator" to read it to you
others offer the test in multiple languages.
(By read it I mean even illiterates can pass the test)
Back in the 50's this might be an issue and even today in some cases but we now have "international" signs for most things.
But which exit is Irish Road??????
If you can't read. you may never figure it out (Turn right 100 yards)
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next: If you fly international you need to speak "Aviation English". Canada had a law that said you can not discriminate between a French speaker and an English speaker.. Pilots refused to fly into Canada till they required Aviation english. What's Aviation English.. A subset of the language. JUST those words or phrases Pilots need to know. "Hey sweety, how about we make beautiful music together" is NOT on the aviation list (And when I say something like that for the record I mean like You play piano and I'll sing the song music not what you were thinking).
Finally:
On a job it's not important WHAT language everyone speaks
only that they speak the SAME language.
In Emergency services here in the USA we use American English because.... Well that's the one that's most common..
As I said before 10-4 might mean different thigs to different agencies. But Confirmed or acknowledged is what we use.
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Cummins12V98 wrote:I do care as when I explain how I want a project done and it gets done wrong when someone says they understand and in reality they don’t it gets very expensive. If I try to tell someone not to push short PCs of wood thru the table saw between the fence and blade and they loose a finger because they don’t understand that is not okay!!!
Don’t tell me “I” should learn other languages!!!
It wasn’t a matter of learning to speak their language , they learned ours over time . I could show a man how to do something easier then trying to explain how to do it , and with some interpretation we did well . You’ve drove past a lot of product over the years , right out of Centerville, Ut . We were one of the largest producers of highway safety in the western US.
I tell you what ,I had more issues with our born and raised young men , then I did with these non English speaking men . They wanted to work .Whether you noticed it or not who’s building our homes , landscaping, road construction etc etc , it’s those non English speaking guys. It’s sad that ours don’t want to work these jobs .
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Man, this topic went sideways.
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