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It’s common knowledge that EV’s produce LESS CO2, right??…Either way, FINALLY a long overdue dose of cogent objectivity has been allowed to enter the discussion [emoticon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1E8SQde5rk

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Careful the lef PC Woke police will soon bite you. Good luck tho.

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One thing of particular interest that this well intentioned presenter totally dismissed is the CO2 produced in the manufacture of solar panels and windmills, the latter of which typically requires extensive servicing over what is a relatively short service life…

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3 tons wrote:

It’s common knowledge that EV’s produce LESS CO2, right??…Either way, FINALLY a long overdue dose of cogent objectivity has been allowed to enter the discussion [emoticon]

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Excellent presentation. Now I know more.


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A GOOD PRESENTATION IMHO. I certainly agree about a Hybrid being the vehicle of choice until they develop a 400 mile range with a 10 minute recharge and still a few gallons of gas if needed.

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Another overlooked issue is disposal, the batteries in the EV's are much more expensive to dispose of or recycle in both financial as well as environmental cost than the conventional vehicles.

I did like seeing someone actually approach the middle ground concept of the hybrid vehicle, because I believe there is more "Bang for the buck" so to speak in building and using hybrids, especially for those folks with only one vehicle, they can go electric in town and for errands while still having a vehicle CAPABLE of longer range without lengthy charging stops.

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wanderingaimlessly wrote:

Another overlooked issue is disposal, the batteries in the EV's are much more expensive to dispose of or recycle in both financial as well as environmental cost than the conventional vehicles.

I did like seeing someone actually approach the middle ground concept of the hybrid vehicle, because I believe there is more "Bang for the buck" so to speak in building and using hybrids, especially for those folks with only one vehicle, they can go electric in town and for errands while still having a vehicle CAPABLE of longer range without lengthy charging stops.


yes, I agree a mild hybrid is a great middle ground now.

our hybrid basically "battery assist" non plug in rather than full electric mode, gets 26mpg in stop and go driving, 26mpg on the highway, 0-60 in <6 seconds, 14 second /100mph quarter mile. Same vehicle non hybrid version 16mpg in town, 25 highway, 2 seconds slower 0-60, 1 second slower in the 1/4 mile. And the hybrid was only a $1500 premium over the non hybrid. Will pay for itself in gas saving in about 2 years. Definitely the way to go currently IMHO.


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Well, it also points to the need to be a bit skeptical of popular narratives, and it suggest just how powerful the impact of tax subsidies (as is commonplace with home mortgages, etc…) and their ability to drive social trends…Maybe these well intended subsidies should be re-evaluated and re-directed towards hybrids?? BTW, F-1 racing already recognizes the advantage of hybrid technology to instantaneously spin-up turbos, etc!

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Quite misleading.

At about 3 years a Bev becomes carbon neutral compared to an ice. That number used to be 5 years.

The expected life time is a crock when it relies on mileage. I've owned 3 cars since 1992 none of them were new.

There are at least 2 Bev's that have integrated solar panels. For my own particular use pattern, I would essentially never have to plug in unless I were on a trip of over 300 miles.


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I have been saying for years that the analysis on EV's is flawed to support the narrative. CO2 aside, EV's rely on caustic chemicals to manufacture and produce (so do solar panels), are environmentally damaging in harvesting the materials used to make them, and no one has come up with a long term plan for all these batteries at the end of their life which are essentially hazardous waste. Hardly green. And what about modern diesel engines? Diesel fuel is less refined and produces less CO2 than gasoline engines. Diesel also has greater efficiency at producing power. They also last longer than gas engines. Not saying they are the cats meow but why aren't they ever considered in this debate? Is it the cost to produce vs gas engines?


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