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Posted: 11/19/21 01:46pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I think hybrids are super useful for some people’s needs. They check a lot of boxes and for many are a way of reducing fuel costs and still allow access to more remote areas with poor charging infrastructure. Having said that I think BEV’s will outsell them probably 2 to 1 or more in the next decade. Many of us just need the advantages that they bring to the more remote traveller. For us our road trips are seldom over about 700 kilometres and in reality are mostly under 500 kilometres so the hybrid advantage is lost to us. Plus most if not all our travels are in areas well served by Superchargers and other DC fast charge infrastructure. And of course like most BEV owners 90 percent of our charging is done at home where it’s super cheap. For us, the advantages of BEV’s outweigh hybrids. But everyone has different needs and wants. Drive what you like and works for you.

I think companies that have a good product line up of both hybrid and BEV’s will do well. Those that are slow to figure out where the market is going will be gone by 2035.

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2000 parts vs 20.

Blue hydrogen is not a good solution.

I'm reminded of the two keyboard layouts. Ascii vs Dvorak.

Dvorak is better once there are no mechanical linkages to jamb, but Ascii has dominated the market.


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pianotuna wrote:

2000 parts vs 20.

Blue hydrogen is not a good solution.

I'm reminded of the two keyboard layouts. Ascii vs Dvorak.

Dvorak is better once there are no mechanical linkages to jamb, but Ascii has dominated the market.


And I am reminded that many really need to re-read something

ASCII is the character encoding for transmission IE: A=$65

QWERTY is they keyboard.

And as for mechanical linkages. No, they can both be Mechanical or all electronic you can actually make a keyboard with ZERO moving parts but it would be tricky .. Well we call it a touch screen.


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From my perspective, the video’s subject matter added a degree of objectivity to a popularized narrative that heretofore (minus critical examination) has merely been afforded the presumption of truth…Regarding spurious claims of ‘Net Carbon’ reduction, skepticism seems a scarce attribute …If EV’s TRULY do reduce ‘net carbon’ output (not unlike calls of “WMD”), it would seem that one might welcome a further examination to help make their point…

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wa8yxm wrote:


And I am reminded that many really need to re-read something

ASCII is the character encoding for transmission IE: A=$65

QWERTY is they keyboard.

And as for mechanical linkages. No, they can both be Mechanical or all electronic you can actually make a keyboard with ZERO moving parts but it would be tricky .. Well we call it a touch screen.



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Thanks for correcting my memory.

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If you can get past all the environmental and political junk..... EVs are fun to drive.


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A thoughtful presentation. But like all others that focus on the energy required to make EV batteries, none mention the energy (and thus pollutants) required to produce gasoline or diesel fuels for ICE vehicles. It requires energy to extract oil from the earth. It requires energy to transport that oil to refineries by truck or rail (both burning more fuel producing more co2) or by pipeline by using energy to power pumps. Refineries use huge amounts of power refining the crude into gasoline and diesel. And those refineries are burning natural gas or oil (producing pollutants) to produce steam and electricity for the refining processes. And then fuel is burned by trucks to transport that gasoline and diesel to fueling stations. But no one ever adds the co2 and other pollutants produced in those processes to the total numbers actually produced by the ICE vehicles themselves. A not insignificant amount.
There is an old saying that statistics don’t lie. But it is common knowledge that those statistics can be cherry picked and twisted to agree with that person’s agenda.
I have no dog in this fight. But never consider any one person’s presentation, no matter how eloquently presented, as absolute fact. Look at all sides and make your own decisions.

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Smoke and Mirrors


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wa8yxm's correction made me look further.

Apparently the story about it being to slow down the typists, is nothing more than a myth.

You are a good man wa8yxm.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/qwerty-keyboard_n_3223611

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time2roll wrote:

If you can get past all the environmental and political junk..... EVs are fun to drive.


Admittedly, I’ve never driven one (but would love to!), but after once having gotten the opportunity to drive a diesel / traction motor locomotive (a switch engine, with over 1.25 million pounds in tow!!), the traction motor torque was incredible (and no transmission!).

I believe EV’s must be truly outstanding to drive, and that ultimately EV’s should stand alone on their own unfettered and fact-based merits…It’s in this light that I restrict my own criticisms to taxpayer funded subsidies (i.e. narrative-based wealth redistribution schemes), and ‘assertions’ surrounding a ‘net’ reduction in carbon…JMHO

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