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3 tons I agree with you on the subsidies. Products should stand on their own two feet.

On the other hand, I'll be looking for a good lightly used EV. I'm sure at least some folks will hate them. Their disappointment may be my joy.


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https://about.bnef.com/blog/the-lifecycle-emissions-of-electric-vehicles/

Break even is 27,000 kilometers (16777.022 miles) in USA.

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pianotuna wrote:

3 tons I agree with you on the subsidies. Products should stand on their own two feet.

On the other hand, I'll be looking for a good lightly used EV. I'm sure at least some folks will hate them. Their disappointment may be my joy.


If I needed a car (RET, so I don’t..) I’ll admit that environment aside, EV would be somewhat intriguing, but I believe that in many scenarios (user specific) an even stronger case overall ($$) might be made for the latest plug-in generation of hybrids, especially in the ‘harvest rich’ potentially self-supporting Sun-belt region [emoticon] …But that’s just me….Unfortunately, the grid (as is it is currently outfitted) is marginal at best, making a mass-EV transition problematic, and lithium is a relatively rare ‘big-bang moment only’ element, so of short term availability…Hopefully, in the near future we’ll soon see another carbon-friendly battery breakthrough that’ll take the place of lithium…

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A hybrid has all the parts of an ice and more.

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pianotuna wrote:

Quite misleading.

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There are at least 2 Bev's that have integrated solar panels. For my own particular use pattern, I would essentially never have to plug in unless I were on a trip of over 300 miles.


True, slapping solar panels on a car provides almost no useful range, while adding weight, cost and carbon costs.

You might be able to squeeze 1000w of panels generating maybe 4kwh per day...assuming 40kw to maintain freeway speed, that's 6 min of driving per day. This assumes the car is out in clear sunlight mid day. Basically unless you have a 2 mile commute, you will wind up plugging in regularly.

I do think EVs have a useful place (short range commuter cars in multicar families), but direct solar powered is a pipe dream.


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time2roll wrote:

If you can get past all the environmental and political junk..... EVs are fun to drive.


True, if you have little need for range and a place to plug in at night, EV should be a great option...if they can get the cost down.

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My Toyota Yaris hatchback gets 40 mpg on the highway. I think i'll keep it going.

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I'm sorry, I don't get it! I was taught many years ago that trees need CO2 to produce oxygen. When did that change?

"Carbon dioxide is indeed plant food and more plant food means more plants, more forests"

When did CO2 become our enemy? Weird!


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"Fun to drive"? When you talk about fun, include the Tesla Roadster:

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Bumpyroad wrote:

A GOOD PRESENTATION IMHO. I certainly agree about a Hybrid being the vehicle of choice until they develop a 400 mile range with a 10 minute recharge and still a few gallons of gas if needed.

bumpy


Fully agreed.

EV's concern me. Not as much as 'self-driving' vehicles (EEEK!), but they're not quite where John Q. Public and his driving habits and expectations can mainstream quite yet.

Hybrids now, EV's down the road a bit, IMHO

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