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Posted: 12/05/21 12:43pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Everything in California, including cars, should be electric and rechargeable because we all know that California has unlimited electrical capacity. [emoticon]

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wildtoad wrote:

Battery (currently) powered leaf blowers are too weak and consume too much power for either large yards or commercial use. Not to mention how long it takes to recharge the batteries. If all you want to do is blow off driveways and porches great. Otherwise a 2 hour job may take 6 not counting recharging.


This is why they have an exception built into the bill for commercial and extensive use - if the current technology can't handle commercial and extensive use, then the ban for commercial and extensive use is postponed until the technology is sufficient.

The ban ONLY takes affect when the feasibility AND technology are sufficient - the stated deadlines are the EARLIEST the ban could happen barring any feasibility and/or technology difficulties.


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The ban will ONLY be in effect IF technology catches up. Currently, there is no viable non-IC generator technology, so unless that changes you will still be able to use your generators in California after 2024.


Lawmakers will simply declare existing technology to have "caught up" - regardless of whether it actually has or not - and ban IC generators.

After all, any IC generator can be replaced with batteries, if your wallet is deep enough.

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I have not looked up and read the bill, but if it is (like the others) just a ban on selling new, then that won't effect me taking my 1973 motorhome with a same vintage Onan generator there.

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Skibane wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

The ban will ONLY be in effect IF technology catches up. Currently, there is no viable non-IC generator technology, so unless that changes you will still be able to use your generators in California after 2024.


Lawmakers will simply declare existing technology to have "caught up" - regardless of whether it actually has or not - and ban IC generators.

After all, any IC generator can be replaced with batteries, if your wallet is deep enough.


No, they won't. The text of the bill is specific in that the technology is "same to same". A battery bank is NOT equivalent to a generator.

Feasibility and practibility is also part of the bill. At this time it is not feasible to replace a generator with a battery bank - the cost would be prohibitive, the weight and size of the battery bank prohibitive, and the practibility of using a battery bank without recharging capabilities does not exist currently.

Right now, there is no viable replacement for a generator - whether for home emergency use or RV use.

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Your electric grid can't keep up now so what happens when all these batteries and electric cars are plugged into that system?

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ferndaleflyer wrote:

Your electric grid can't keep up now so what happens when all these batteries and electric cars are plugged into that system?
Works better than you think. Outages due to lack of generation are very rare. Even then it has been very controlled unlike the latest in TX.


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ferndaleflyer wrote:

Your electric grid can't keep up now so what happens when all these batteries and electric cars are plugged into that system?


The bans also do not go into effect unless the infrastructure can handle the increased load.

As I said before, this is more about encouraging new technology than about forcing ineffective technology of people.

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California is doing so well that they don't have quite as many brown outs, or rolling black outs as they used to have, thanks to the petroleum fired generating plants. [emoticon]

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rgatijnet1 wrote:

California is doing so well that they don't have quite as many brown outs, or rolling black outs as they used to have, thanks to the petroleum fired generating plants. [emoticon]


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