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Reisender wrote:Is it a purchase ban or a use ban?
That part is still debatable... however, in the article second paragraph stated this.
"According to definition of the proposal, the ban could include the use of generators installed in most motorhomes and other motorized RVs. RVers who travel with trailers and fifth wheels would be unable to use portable generators."
The other bill is already signed by Gavin to take effect in 2024 on banning... (didn't read the bill myself, just the stupid headlines).
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Reisender wrote:Is it a purchase ban or a use ban?
well my understanding a sales ban, but only when technology exists for an adequate replacement. Now for things like the small handheld home use leaf blowers, lawn mowers, weed wackers battery equivalents or better already exist. My Sthil electric mower and leaf blower are better than the the gas ones they replaced. And they are way quieter and don't need to worry about gas going old. Sometimes new technology is actually better! Still not their yet for lawn service w/o a big stash of batteries to recharge every night. Nor for my gas blower that is hooked up as a shreader.
Not there yet for comercial lawn service applications, nor for a alternative for any reasonable sized generator.
Personally I think the media is making a mountain out of a molehill on the generator side of things.
Reminds me of the uproar when 2 stroke off road bikes needed to meet much stricter emissions requirements and 4 strokes had to meet much stricker emission. The world was going to end and the end of off road motorcycling. fast forward a few years and (1) industry went to fuel and oil injected 2 strokes with better performance and lower emissions, and (2) 4 stroke FI off road motorcycles with amazing performance and power while being street legal came into play. My 2021 FI street legal dirt bike is a better performing bike than my older non street legal 4 stroke carb bike was.
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ktmrfs wrote:Reisender wrote:Is it a purchase ban or a use ban?
well my understanding a sales ban, but only when technology exists for an adequate replacement. Now for things like the small handheld home use leaf blowers, lawn mowers, weed wackers battery equivalents or better already exist. My Sthil electric mower and leaf blower are better than the the gas ones they replaced. And they are way quieter and don't need to worry about gas going old. Sometimes new technology is actually better! Still not their yet for lawn service w/o a big stash of batteries to recharge every night. Nor for my gas blower that is hooked up as a shreader.
Not there yet for comercial lawn service applications, nor for a alternative for any reasonable sized generator.
Personally I think the media is making a mountain out of a molehill on the generator side of things.
Reminds me of the uproar when 2 stroke off road bikes needed to meet much stricter emissions requirements and 4 strokes had to meet much stricker emission. The world was going to end and the end of off road motorcycling. fast forward a few years and (1) industry went to fuel and oil injected 2 strokes with better performance and lower emissions, and (2) 4 stroke FI off road motorcycles with amazing performance and power while being street legal came into play. My 2021 FI street legal dirt bike is a better performing bike than my older non street legal 4 stroke carb bike was.
THANK YOU!
That's all this is - a way to encourage new technology. It's not the end of the world.
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toedtoes wrote:ktmrfs wrote:Reisender wrote:Is it a purchase ban or a use ban?
well my understanding a sales ban, but only when technology exists for an adequate replacement. Now for things like the small handheld home use leaf blowers, lawn mowers, weed wackers battery equivalents or better already exist. My Sthil electric mower and leaf blower are better than the the gas ones they replaced. And they are way quieter and don't need to worry about gas going old. Sometimes new technology is actually better! Still not their yet for lawn service w/o a big stash of batteries to recharge every night. Nor for my gas blower that is hooked up as a shreader.
Not there yet for comercial lawn service applications, nor for a alternative for any reasonable sized generator.
Personally I think the media is making a mountain out of a molehill on the generator side of things.
Reminds me of the uproar when 2 stroke off road bikes needed to meet much stricter emissions requirements and 4 strokes had to meet much stricker emission. The world was going to end and the end of off road motorcycling. fast forward a few years and (1) industry went to fuel and oil injected 2 strokes with better performance and lower emissions, and (2) 4 stroke FI off road motorcycles with amazing performance and power while being street legal came into play. My 2021 FI street legal dirt bike is a better performing bike than my older non street legal 4 stroke carb bike was.
THANK YOU!
That's all this is - a way to encourage new technology. It's not the end of the world.
yup and the mfg that really start the investments will win, as we will, and those that put their head in the sand expecting it to go away will go the way of buggy whip mfg. I have no reason to buy any more gas powered lawn and yard equipment, or small chain saws, the electric ones are way better for my needs, no gas issues, less noise, work great.
Now, my honda 2200's, not sure how one is going to replace those but who knows what the next 10 years may bring.
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toedtoes wrote:There is already multible threads on this.
The ban against small generators IS NOT going into effect until the technology makes zero emmission generators feasible. The law is about reducing "low hanging fruit" IC engine small equipment use such as personal use leaf blowers and lawn mowers, and encouraging new technology for the rest. No equipment will be banned until the feasibility and technology is sufficient for the usage.
Thank you.
Yes, it's been discussed. Many pages worth.
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toedtoes wrote:There is already multible threads on this.
The ban against small generators IS NOT going into effect until the technology makes zero emmission generators feasible. The law is about reducing "low hanging fruit" IC engine small equipment use such as personal use leaf blowers and lawn mowers, and encouraging new technology for the rest. No equipment will be banned until the feasibility and technology is sufficient for the usage.
Don’t count on that, I am starting to believe that elected and appointed officials don’t have any common sense at all.
The electric Infrastructure will never be strong enough to away with small generators.
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Just another reason I would never live there.
Rule and regulate you to death.
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rhagfo wrote:toedtoes wrote:There is already multible threads on this.
The ban against small generators IS NOT going into effect until the technology makes zero emmission generators feasible. The law is about reducing "low hanging fruit" IC engine small equipment use such as personal use leaf blowers and lawn mowers, and encouraging new technology for the rest. No equipment will be banned until the feasibility and technology is sufficient for the usage.
Don’t count on that, I am starting to believe that elected and appointed officials don’t have any common sense at all.
The electric Infrastructure will never be strong enough to away with small generators.
If they can't develop a zero emmisiion generator, then the ban will never happen. Simple as that.
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Maybe I missed it but as I read it, no one is coming for any existing fuel powered tools. Fuel powered tools will still be available for purpose until such time as battery powered devices are up to the task at personal and commercial level. So the actual affect of this legislation may be years away.
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wildtoad wrote:Maybe I missed it but as I read it, no one is coming for any existing fuel powered tools. Fuel powered tools will still be available for purpose until such time as battery powered devices are up to the task at personal and commercial level. So the actual affect of this legislation may be years away.
YES.
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