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StirCrazy

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Posted: 12/12/21 10:04am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

GuyCanRV wrote:

Well I just got off the phone with Cooling Unit Warehouse
and finally understand what he was trying to tell me last month.

First off Amish does NOT make new cooling units for my model RGE400.
They only only rebuild old units.

Secondly, Cooling Unit Warehouse will not ship the RGE400 unit to Canada, only the U.S.

So even if I could have one shipped from Cooling Unit Warehouse I would be in the same situation I am in with the Canadian dealer.
In both cases they would simply be re-building a unit.


are you close to the boarder, if so, do you know someone who lives just over the boarder you could ship it to and then whip down and pick it up? or if you are reasonably close you could get one of thoes post box services and ship to that and do a trip to pick it up. the warenty of the local guy might be good though.

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The cooling unit went out, so I did the normal looking around at options. To replace the whole frig would have cost way to much plus the unit would have had to come in through the windshield. Putting a residential frig was not an option as it would have required to much wood work to make it look like it belonged. I do not do good with woodwork.

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Does your OLD Servel have MANUAL controls? In other words, it does NOT use 12 volts to operate the control system? If so, you are stuck in a hard place if you cannot find a replacement cooling unit. I am not aware of any RV refer built in the last 30 or more years that does NOT require 12 volts to operate the control system. From my search, you will only find a 400 cooling unit new. At a cost BEFORE shipping of $1100 to $1400 US dollars. I would bite the bullet and get a NEW RV refer, purchase an inexpensive 120 to 12 volt converter to operate the controls and install. Doug

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StirCrazy wrote:

GuyCanRV wrote:

Well I just got off the phone with Cooling Unit Warehouse
and finally understand what he was trying to tell me last month.

First off Amish does NOT make new cooling units for my model RGE400.
They only only rebuild old units.

Secondly, Cooling Unit Warehouse will not ship the RGE400 unit to Canada, only the U.S.

So even if I could have one shipped from Cooling Unit Warehouse I would be in the same situation I am in with the Canadian dealer.
In both cases they would simply be re-building a unit.


are you close to the boarder, if so, do you know someone who lives just over the boarder you could ship it to and then whip down and pick it up? or if you are reasonably close you could get one of thoes post box services and ship to that and do a trip to pick it up. the warenty of the local guy might be good though.

Steve

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It's interesting that you mentioned this. In my discussion with Cooling Unit Warehouse, the fellow suggested the same thing as a possible solution.

Had it been for a new cooling unit I certainly would have considered it. But seeing as I would get a 5-year warranty from the local guy
I decided to go that route.
I'm currently building a crate for shipping it.

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dougrainer wrote:

Does your OLD Servel have MANUAL controls? In other words, it does NOT use 12 volts to operate the control system? If so, you are stuck in a hard place if you cannot find a replacement cooling unit. I am not aware of any RV refer built in the last 30 or more years that does NOT require 12 volts to operate the control system. From my search, you will only find a 400 cooling unit new. At a cost BEFORE shipping of $1100 to $1400 US dollars. I would bite the bullet and get a NEW RV refer, purchase an inexpensive 120 to 12 volt converter to operate the controls and install. Doug


I'm not sure exactly what you are cautioning about?
My unit operates either 120V or Gas.
It has manual controls.

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GuyCanRV wrote:

dougrainer wrote:

Does your OLD Servel have MANUAL controls? In other words, it does NOT use 12 volts to operate the control system? If so, you are stuck in a hard place if you cannot find a replacement cooling unit. I am not aware of any RV refer built in the last 30 or more years that does NOT require 12 volts to operate the control system. From my search, you will only find a 400 cooling unit new. At a cost BEFORE shipping of $1100 to $1400 US dollars. I would bite the bullet and get a NEW RV refer, purchase an inexpensive 120 to 12 volt converter to operate the controls and install. Doug


I'm not sure exactly what you are cautioning about?
My unit operates either 120V or Gas.
It has manual controls.


I am NOT cautioning you. I am telling you the plain facts. OLDER Model Norcolds/Dometics/Servel/Sibir refer's used MANUAL controls to operate the LP and 120 function. NO 12 volts needed. Current RV refers require 12 volts to operate BOTH LP and 120. So, if you did go the NEW refer route you would have to get that 120 to 12 volt converter. BTW, Leisure RV in Winkler, Manitoba drives all their factory parts warranty and Customer Pay across the USA border to ship to USA Dealers. Saves them a bundle on UPS charges. Doug

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If it were me I would not worry about a 5 yr warranty. I bet most or nearly all rebuilt or new units will pass the 5 yr mark.
Really the enemy is rust inside and running off-level. You can control the level.
The rust will eventually make a hole in the pipe and then coolant leaks out. A rebuilt unit will not fix damage done by rust, it can only clean the pipe out.
Given this I still would not put a warranty high on the list.

I have always rolled the dice on used units and not gone over $600. They have all worked, and the first one I bought eventually leaked, but it was after 15 years of me using it.

Don't get one too old.

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I am NOT cautioning you. I am telling you the plain facts. OLDER Model Norcolds/Dometics/Servel/Sibir refer's used MANUAL controls to operate the LP and 120 function. NO 12 volts needed. Current RV refers require 12 volts to operate BOTH LP and 120. So, if you did go the NEW refer route you would have to get that 120 to 12 volt converter. BTW, Leisure RV in Winkler, Manitoba drives all their factory parts warranty and Customer Pay across the USA border to ship to USA Dealers. Saves them a bundle on UPS charges. Doug


OK I understand what you are saying now. Thanks.

About the 12 V.
You mentioned new fridges require 12V to operate BOTH LP and 120V.

What about for my situation where I will NEVER use gas?
If I never use gas would I need 12V for the 120V?

Thanks for the tip on Leisure RV.

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ajriding wrote:

If it were me I would not worry about a 5 yr warranty. I bet most or nearly all rebuilt or new units will pass the 5 yr mark.
Really the enemy is rust inside and running off-level. You can control the level.
The rust will eventually make a hole in the pipe and then coolant leaks out. A rebuilt unit will not fix damage done by rust, it can only clean the pipe out.
Given this I still would not put a warranty high on the list.

I have always rolled the dice on used units and not gone over $600. They have all worked, and the first one I bought eventually leaked, but it was after 15 years of me using it.

Don't get one too old.


I agree about the 5 year part.

But there is a bit of a contradiction in what you are saying,
or perhaps I don't understand you correctly?

I realize that there can/will be rust build-up inside the pipes.
My unit is more than 20 years old so there likely is rust.

So given that, why would you not put a 5-year warranty high on the list?

I don't think you understand what I am going for here.
I am not 'getting an old cooling unit'. I am keeping mine and having it
refurbished.
When I get it back it will still be 20+ years old.

Worst comes to worse, if a leak develops after five years I'll just buy a new fridge. For the time being I'm trying to save some money.

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Posted: 12/15/21 10:24am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

GuyCanRV wrote:

dougrainer wrote:



I am NOT cautioning you. I am telling you the plain facts. OLDER Model Norcolds/Dometics/Servel/Sibir refer's used MANUAL controls to operate the LP and 120 function. NO 12 volts needed. Current RV refers require 12 volts to operate BOTH LP and 120. So, if you did go the NEW refer route you would have to get that 120 to 12 volt converter. BTW, Leisure RV in Winkler, Manitoba drives all their factory parts warranty and Customer Pay across the USA border to ship to USA Dealers. Saves them a bundle on UPS charges. Doug


OK I understand what you are saying now. Thanks.

About the 12 V.
You mentioned new fridges require 12V to operate BOTH LP and 120V.

What about for my situation where I will NEVER use gas?
If I never use gas would I need 12V for the 120V?

Thanks for the tip on Leisure RV.

As Doug said, new refrigerators require 12V to operator on either 12V or 120V. The electronics card is powered by 12V & controls the temperature.


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