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JIMNLIN

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Posted: 01/18/22 12:38pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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If you want to play games with the numbers for licensing purposes, play games with the numbers. Ford already does that with their 10,000lb GVW F350 SRW.

Now GM is doing the same game with their 3500 srw trucks with 18 different gvwrs. Some like a 11025....11050...11100....but starts at 10000 gvwr on up to 12450 gvwr.
RV website police will have fun with all the different payloads for the same exact 3500 srw truck.

I have no issues with some 3/4 tons trucks having more usable in the bed payloads than some/same spec'd one ton srw trucks.
Just more gvwr/gawr options we have to choose from as we all have different size truck needs.
DRW vs SRW .....sure need a dead horse picture clicky.


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JIMNLIN wrote:

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If you want to play games with the numbers for licensing purposes, play games with the numbers. Ford already does that with their 10,000lb GVW F350 SRW.

Now GM is doing the same game with their 3500 srw trucks with 18 different gvwrs. Some like a 11025....11050...11100....but starts at 10000 gvwr on up to 12450 gvwr.
RV website police will have fun with all the different payloads for the same exact 3500 srw truck.

I have no issues with some 3/4 tons trucks having more usable in the bed payloads than some/same spec'd one ton srw trucks.
Just more gvwr/gawr options we have to choose from as we all have different size truck needs.
DRW vs SRW .....sure need a dead horse picture clicky.


Or GM 2500HD with a 11,500 ish GVWR with the diesel, very close to the 3500HD SRW rating. They just moved the 2500HD up a class to get away from the somewhat arbitrary 10,000lb limt based on classification


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mkirsch wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

How exactly does fewer options make the world a better place?

If you want a dually, buy a dually.

If you want a SRW 1 ton, buy one.

If you want a 3/4 ton, buy one.

This isn't 30yrs ago when you would have to go to each individual dealer and ask for the specs on various options when it came time to purchase. It's easy to get them on the internet.


Fewer options makes the world a better place by simplifying the buying decision. So many times they recommend here "Don't get a 3/4 ton, get a 1 ton SRW, it's the same thing and for a few hundred dollars more you get more payload blah blah blah..."

Except in my experience 1 ton SRWs are far and few between. In normal years dealers tend to have one or two DRWs, several 3/4 tons, and a whole gaggle of 1/2 tons. Nary a 1 ton SRW to be found, leaving most people trying to follow that advice feeling confused and betrayed.

It also eliminates about 50% of the arguments from this website. "Only difference between 3/4 and 1 ton SRW is a leaf in the springs" "No it's noooooot!" "Is toooooooo!"

Wouldn't the world be a better place with less conflict?


There are a bakers dozen F350/3500 diesel 4x4 crew cab trucks within 150 miles of me under $70k, all of them are SRW. Is that a lot compared to the 46 3/4 ton trucks meeting the same search, nope but not exactly unobtainable.


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How about a C-15/C-16 tucked under the hood of a F350.....


Deboss Garage is putting a 3126 under the hood of an F350. Not quite a C15 but still a Cat... Look under #FTreeKitty.


He must be doing it just to see the yellow paint under the hood of the Ford. Nothing really to be gained with that motor, any of the big 3's stock diesels have way more power and torque than a Cat 3126. That motor is pretty comparable size and power wise with my old 7.3 Powerstroke.

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rjstractor wrote:

mkirsch wrote:

ford truck guy wrote:

How about a C-15/C-16 tucked under the hood of a F350.....


Deboss Garage is putting a 3126 under the hood of an F350. Not quite a C15 but still a Cat... Look under #FTreeKitty.


He must be doing it just to see the yellow paint under the hood of the Ford. Nothing really to be gained with that motor, any of the big 3's stock diesels have way more power and torque than a Cat 3126. That motor is pretty comparable size and power wise with my old 7.3 Powerstroke.


AGREED. If I was going to the trouble of putting a Cat into a pickup, I wouldn't waste my time with that motor.


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I think if I was going to look at putting a different engine in a Ford I'd see if there would be any way of getting a Cat C9.3 under the hood .... 456 HP (1800-2200 rpm) and 1540 lbft of torque. It would certainly be a whole lot easier and cheaper to add a tune to the factory 6.7.


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time2roll wrote:

I want super singles tucked under the SRW fenders instead of a dually. Going to be a bit narrower between the wheel wells and that is fine by me.


If all you drive on is dry pavement or gravel they would be fine. But get any moisture, rain, snow even wet grass and you wouldn't like them. Back in the late 70's and early 80's I had a CC LB with what then was a large tire, 12.00 X 16.5 that truck could get stuck if you spit on the grass and rolled over it. Those were on 10" rims. I think what you want is wider yet so what about hydroplaning also





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I want super singles tucked under the SRW fenders instead of a dually. Going to be a bit narrower between the wheel wells and that is fine by me.


Cool, in concept and for a different "look". But wholly un-practical.


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There are a bakers dozen F350/3500 diesel 4x4 crew cab trucks within 150 miles of me under $70k, all of them are SRW. Is that a lot compared to the 46 3/4 ton trucks meeting the same search, nope but not exactly unobtainable.


Certainly not unobtainable and your 1 in 3 odds of finding a 1 ton vs a 3/4 ton is pretty good.
I feel historically, it's been more like 1 in 10. And if buying used and not ordering a truck to spec, having 10x (or even 3x) as many trucks to choose from wen the only difference is an extra leaf or 3 in the rear suspension will net a person the same truck with far better odds at a good price and a model/features/color that they actually want.

Now Canada is the exact opposite. 9 out of 10 HD pickups are 1 tons, not 3/4 tons. At least in the western provinces. Luxury tax on 3/4 tons combined with greater gvw enforcement have pushed the market to 1 tons primarily, up there.

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