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BCSnob
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70mpg equivalent hwy/city not towing.
Of course if you only use your truck for towing there will be no benefit.
Based upon population which is the larger market, rural vs urban/suburban?
Which market purchases the greater total number of small & midsize PUs?
Which market has the greater density of charging stations (and fuel stations)?
I agree, it is an ugly truck.
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bikendan
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BCSnob wrote:70mpg equivalent hwy/city not towing.
Of course if you only use your truck for towing there will be no benefit.
Based upon population which is the larger market, rural vs urban/suburban?
Which market purchases the greater total number of small & midsize PUs?
Which market has the greater density of charging stations (and fuel stations)?
I agree, it is an ugly truck.
The thing is, this discussion is in a RV forum. So this means that having a 1/2 ton for towing IS IMPORTANT. Isn't this thread in the TOW VEHICLES section, not the Grocery Getter section?
Bringing up that most don't use their 1/2 ton for towing is pretty much irrelevant here.
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Adam R wrote:I keep hearing that EV's cost so much less to operate in energy costs. In this test, the cost to drive 140 miles in the Rockies is essentially a wash. Empty, I'd get closer to 17 mpg in that same trip. Yes, it can get to 60mph about 5 seconds faster than my F-350. That would effectively account for 0.00001% of my average driving experience and with 450hp on tap in my stock truck it is no slouch. Even using an F-150 Ecoboost, it would still be a wash and the R1 is smaller than an F-150. So what are the benefits of this truck? Cost more to fuel, smaller, less capable, gives you anxiety, costs you time while on the road to refuel, but hey, it saves you 5 seconds from 0 to 60. Oh, and it has no soul either. Now if I was just a commuter living in the city, it might be worth considering, but out west, with lost of distance between A and B, it's not practical at this time.
EV’s are a small fraction of the cost to fuel. But there is a little context missing here. Your truck is more likely to be used more for long road trips and hauling and it’s probably really good at that. Trucks like the Rivian and other half tons in general are more likely to be daily drivers and will probably only see occasional heavy towing duty like we saw in the video. As a daily driver the vast amount of charging will be done at home where it is super cheap. (Or at least here). Superchargers and DC fast chargers are not meant to be cheap or used as a regular charging location. They are primarily used by those on road trips.
We are probably typical EV drivers. We have done maybe 6 or 7 long road trips in the last year. We have used Superchargers or DC fast chargers maybe a dozen times in the last year. So much cheaper and more convenient to charge at home.
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BCSnob
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bikendan wrote:BCSnob wrote:70mpg equivalent hwy/city not towing.
Of course if you only use your truck for towing there will be no benefit.
Based upon population which is the larger market, rural vs urban/suburban?
Which market purchases the greater total number of small & midsize PUs?
Which market has the greater density of charging stations (and fuel stations)?
I agree, it is an ugly truck.
The thing is, this discussion is in a RV forum. So this means that having a 1/2 ton for towing IS IMPORTANT. Isn't this thread in the TOW VEHICLES section, not the Grocery Getter section?
Bringing up that most don't use their 1/2 ton for towing is pretty much irrelevant here.
How many threads have there been on people looking for 1/2 tons that can be daily drivers (commuting vehicles) and tow on the weekends to local CGs? This truck seems like it could fit that market. Most of these people won’t be towing the Ike Gauntlet on the weekends.
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BCSnob wrote:
How many threads have there been on people looking for 1/2 tons that can be daily drivers (commuting vehicles) and tow on the weekends to local CGs? This truck seems like it could fit that market. Most of these people won’t be towing the Ike Gauntlet on the weekends.
True story, and over on the E Coast where you could drive through 6 different states in a day and not even put 300 miles on your car, most of your "destinations" are much closer to your own front door and that magical "cheap" fuel.
Here, I make a 300+ mile "commute" one way every week, takes 'bout 4 hours, including the time to stop n re-fill my dinosaur burner.
So yes, EV's are still decidedly better suited for short or shorter trips and not well suited for towing.
Thus, they have their place and are currently (no pun intended) cheaper to "fuel" if you don't value your time, or you can plug it in, snug as a bug in your garage every night.
But unlike ICE powered vehicles which are equally at home in the wide open spaces of the majority of our country (geographically speaking) and the crowded places where you can smell when your next door neighbor farts, EVs are not, unless you don't value your time very much.
Take the same example, you used about the "local" campers. Now mom n kids want to go to Disney in March and see Mt Rushmore and Yellowstone this summer since you have a sweet camper. Both of those trips are still virtual, no realistic, non starters with an EV tow rig.
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Reisender wrote:
EV’s are a small fraction of the cost to fuel. But there is a little context missing here.
Cheers.
The context is they are a small fraction of the cost to fuel "now." And they cost more than a comparable ICE car, so yeah, there's that.
Maybe there's still an overall lifecycle savings, not arguing that. But you're certainly not winning the lottery when you cut the check for that new Tesla.
I've said it before, I tried to make it pencil out for a commuter car, using the cheapest "old" Teslas I could find on Craigslist. I mean, they never break right? As long as you have an electrical outlet and tires you're set for life! LOL
It didn't pencil out, by a long shot. But I'm also better at keeping my overall cost per mile, regardless of type of vehicles, lower than most people. If I wasn't as savvy, it would have been a closer contest.
The context that is missing, is everyone who has an EV now gets all the perks of the new technology. Low "fuel" costs, tax breaks, all that chit....
Jump ahead 10-20 years form now, however long you think it is before EVs take over the world. If you think the cost of "fuel" electricity, will not rise commensurate with the demand, you're either idealistic or delusional. The only reason power is affordable from the monopolies is govt intervention. Guess I'll hold out faith that my govt will have my best interest at heart?
And you're from Canadia. ^ This should scare the he!! out of you, with your govt overreach up there.
Next is repairs. Musk has his brand locked down hard, so he and only he can capitalize on broken Teslas. His toybox, his rules. If that becomes the norm with all EVs, god help us. A poor person or even median income family won't be able to afford to fix their car.
New technology is great, but pretending that there is somehow a free lunch or even a good healthy snack wrapped up in it for the consumer just shows that people are easily blinded by shiny things.
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Adam R wrote:So, the truck goes from 100% to 15% of charge and then up to 52% of charge at a cost of $17.36 in Dillon. It then goes back down to 16% on the return trip to Denver. Let's assume it can get back up to 100% of charge for $34 on the second charge so the cost from Denver to Dillon and back is $51 in round numbers. The round trip mileage is 140 miles. So the cost of electricity is roughly $0.36 per mile. My 2019 Ford diesel could pull that same route and easily average 10mpg round trip so I would burn 14 gallons of diesel for that same trip. At $3.50 per gallon, my fuel cost would be $49 or $0.35 per mile. While not against an electric vehicle, the justification is far from being a slam dunk at this time. Plus, I could pull twice that weight, have 5 times the range when empty and fill ups take 5 minutes. I'll keep my Ford for now. Adam Do you only tow full time with your pick-up? Because for most people 90%+ of the driving is local around town and the electric will be half the cost when charging at home.
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No single vehicle will work everyone (no PU will work for us as a TV); however, some may be willing to accept the inconvenience of recharging on long trips for the benefits of 70mpg equivalent for 95% of their vehicle mileage.
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BCSnob wrote:No single vehicle will work everyone (no PU will work for us as a TV); however, some may be willing to accept the inconvenience of recharging on long trips for the benefits of 70mpg equivalent for 95% of their vehicle mileage. There is an R1S by Rivian.
https://rivian.com/r1s
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BCSnob
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No PU (not a Rivian or a diesel crew cab) has a large enough cabin (temp controlled) to transport 6-8 crated medium sized dogs plus a driver and passenger.
Even though PUs don’t meet my needs I don’t write off them as a possibly useful TV for others with different priorities. Clearly some here have decided the Rivian is useless for everyone as a TV since it doesn’t meet their needs.
“Can’t possibly work for someone else since it doesn’t work for me”
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