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. Custer State Park proposal to build a new $10 mil. 175 site campground on the wildlife loop was lowered by the park officers to a $4.7mil 66 site camp on Stockade Lake. The proposal was amended down to only tent campsites( rustic)
In SD legislative ag and nat resources committee sd hb 1048 had no supporters, a room of full of detractors. It was defeated by a 9-3 vote assigning this bill to the 41st day, which does not exist in SDs schedule, , by a mixed party vote.
The argument for expansion by the CSP officer did not address payment to local government for the increased costs to it and visitatation used on county roads and services.
It was a killing point, along with the ridiculous price tag they had no alternative.
$ 57000/ site. never at proposed rate would they ever recover the bond
They reached for rhe stars, could not get anything off the ground. Dead before it even started.
We in the know saw it as an effort to miseducate the value, misdirect funding to an underfunded project aimed at the concept of basic camping with a fire and Smores with the grandkids A grandiose romantic concept. How we wish.

I was the lone person who did not testify in opposition, I rode the fence and only proposed that the park and its expansion be no burden to local SD taxpayers. according to audits that show CSP recieving $ 1.51 of services for each $ 1 it remits to the county in PILT payment
Public / Private ideas aside, these proposals show an outdated idealistic view of outdoor hospitality industry,
Now comes the ev to recharge that the owners will want to do in campsite for free. If power is not metered and paid for accordingly. the only option for any camp is to raise their rate We live in troublesome times

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Meter each site. Establish an average for 30 and 50 amp summer winter spring fall. If above average apply surcharge to Bill. A little more labor but better than losing pants. Or provide charging ports near office at a cost.

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EV's aren't the end of the world - the Ford Transit EV cargo van has an 85KWh battery pack, that's around $10 worth of electricity to charge it. A big RV with electric water heater and a couple big A/C's can use that much power in a few days.

Sylvan Lake, for example, charges $15/night for non-electric tent sites, and $30/night for electric hookups.

Worse case they can charge a surcharge for EV charging.

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Posted: 02/03/22 01:33am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SDcampowneroperator wrote:

. Custer State Park proposal to build a new $10 mil. 175 site campground on the wildlife loop was lowered by the park officers to a $4.7mil 66 site camp on Stockade Lake. The proposal was amended down to only tent campsites( rustic)
In SD legislative ag and nat resources committee sd hb 1048 had no supporters, a room of full of detractors. It was defeated by a 9-3 vote assigning this bill to the 41st day, which does not exist in SDs schedule, , by a mixed party vote.
The argument for expansion by the CSP officer did not address payment to local government for the increased costs to it and visitatation used on county roads and services.
It was a killing point, along with the ridiculous price tag they had no alternative.
$ 57000/ site. never at proposed rate would they ever recover the bond
They reached for rhe stars, could not get anything off the ground. Dead before it even started.
We in the know saw it as an effort to miseducate the value, misdirect funding to an underfunded project aimed at the concept of basic camping with a fire and Smores with the grandkids A grandiose romantic concept. How we wish.


So in other words, the private campgrounds are driving business away from the rest of the community.

$57k/site, needs about $22/n for 200n/yr to amortize over 20yr @ 5%. Bump the site fee up to $30-40/n to cover utilities and ongoing operating costs...sure looks like it could cover the bond.


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Posted: 02/03/22 03:45am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Isn’t this a duplicate post if this thread that has been running for weeks?

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Thank you for the update.


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SDcampowneroperator wrote:

. Custer State Park proposal to build a new $10 mil. 175 site campground on the wildlife loop was lowered by the park officers to a $4.7mil 66 site camp on Stockade Lake. The proposal was amended down to only tent campsites( rustic)
In SD legislative ag and nat resources committee sd hb 1048 had no supporters, a room of full of detractors. It was defeated by a 9-3 vote assigning this bill to the 41st day, which does not exist in SDs schedule, , by a mixed party vote.
The argument for expansion by the CSP officer did not address payment to local government for the increased costs to it and visitatation used on county roads and services.
It was a killing point, along with the ridiculous price tag they had no alternative.
$ 57000/ site. never at proposed rate would they ever recover the bond
They reached for rhe stars, could not get anything off the ground. Dead before it even started.
We in the know saw it as an effort to miseducate the value, misdirect funding to an underfunded project aimed at the concept of basic camping with a fire and Smores with the grandkids A grandiose romantic concept. How we wish.

I was the lone person who did not testify in opposition, I rode the fence and only proposed that the park and its expansion be no burden to local SD taxpayers. according to audits that show CSP recieving $ 1.51 of services for each $ 1 it remits to the county in PILT payment
Public / Private ideas aside, these proposals show an outdated idealistic view of outdoor hospitality industry,
Now comes the ev to recharge that the owners will want to do in campsite for free. If power is not metered and paid for accordingly. the only option for any camp is to raise their rate We live in troublesome times


Thanks for the update.


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valhalla360 wrote:

SDcampowneroperator wrote:

. Custer State Park proposal to build a new $10 mil. 175 site campground on the wildlife loop was lowered by the park officers to a $4.7mil 66 site camp on Stockade Lake. The proposal was amended down to only tent campsites( rustic)
In SD legislative ag and nat resources committee sd hb 1048 had no supporters, a room of full of detractors. It was defeated by a 9-3 vote assigning this bill to the 41st day, which does not exist in SDs schedule, , by a mixed party vote.
The argument for expansion by the CSP officer did not address payment to local government for the increased costs to it and visitatation used on county roads and services.
It was a killing point, along with the ridiculous price tag they had no alternative.
$ 57000/ site. never at proposed rate would they ever recover the bond
They reached for rhe stars, could not get anything off the ground. Dead before it even started.
We in the know saw it as an effort to miseducate the value, misdirect funding to an underfunded project aimed at the concept of basic camping with a fire and Smores with the grandkids A grandiose romantic concept. How we wish.


So in other words with that , the private campgrounds are driving business away from the rest of the community.

$57k/site, needs about $22/n for 200n/yr to amortize over 20yr @ 5%. Bump the site fee up to $30-40/n to cover utilities and ongoing operating costs...sure looks like it could cover the bond.
. this camp would do well to get 100 nights/yr. as is the occupancy of the other CSP camps. SD bond structure requires recovery in 10 years. rethink the camping fee

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