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Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.


Exactly. Even just changing the rules so the client has a choice of plugging in their RV or their EV but not both at the same time. And allow only one EV charging per string. EV’s don’t draw that much when plugged into a 14-50 plug. Most included EVSE’s limit out at 32 amps when plugged into a 14-50 receptacle. And again, extra revenue, zero investment.

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this thread has certainly jumped off the rails. lets rebuild all of our RV parks to accommodate a few outliers.
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Just like every EV thread for the last ____years on this forum. (And most other threads on here as well, to be fair) Heck, the mods even tried to keep EV threads to one thread at one point, because there were multiple off the rails arguments going on about the same thing at the same time, a year or 2 ago.


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goducks10 wrote:

Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.
And how do you manage those three sites? Hold them open for EV owners exclusively and turn away guests if you are otherwise full? Take a couple of one night EV reservations that fill those two sites and then have to turn away multi night EV reservations because you have those single night reservations in the middle of the longer stay’s request? And even creating a couple of sites involves rewiring which involves excavation. Multiple thousands of dollars of cost for exactly what gain? It is going to be a long time, if ever, before many parks stop lumping guests who require EV charging into the same category as those guests who require amenities and services the park also chooses not to provide. Those aren’t lost customers, they were never that park’s customer to begin with. Just like the prime steakhouse doesn’t see the customers at the Chuck E Cheese next door as lost business.

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goducks10 wrote:

Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.
And how do you manage those three sites? Hold them open for EV owners exclusively and turn away guests if you are otherwise full? Take a couple of one night EV reservations that fill those two sites and then have to turn away multi night EV reservations because you have those single night reservations in the middle of the longer stay’s request? And even creating a couple of sites involves rewiring which involves excavation. Multiple thousands of dollars of cost for exactly what gain? It is going to be a long time, if ever, before many parks stop lumping guests who require EV charging into the same category as those guests who require amenities and services the park also chooses not to provide. Those aren’t lost customers, they were never that park’s customer to begin with. Just like the prime steakhouse doesn’t see the customers at the Chuck E Cheese next door as lost business.


No excavation or upgrades needed to provide a basic service. The EV driver has all the equipment he needs. It comes with the vehicle. All he or she needs is to pay the additional fee and subsequent permission to plug into the 14-50 receptacle with their EV. In our experience it’s really the only way we have ever seen it.

Adding separate 48 amp J1772 EVSE’s in common parking spots is a nice to have not need to have albeit more costly approach for the campground owner. But also allows for a faster charge service. A campground down the road from us has done that. Probably a little easier to control though. They marked the spots as EV parking only and then just charge a flat fee although I don’t know how much. They went with a 48 EVSE so a 60 amp breaker.

I think a lot of confusion and negativity on the topic comes out of not knowing how the charging on an EV works. If nothing else threads like this allow those of us driving EV’s to pass on that knowledge.

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48 amps at 240 volts is 11,520 watts. Multiply that by 3 chargers and tell me once again how “no upgrades are needed”.

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48 amps at 240 volts is 11,520 watts. Multiply that by 3 chargers and tell me once again how “no upgrades are needed”.


I think you misread my post. I indicated it was a more expensive option and a nice to have but not need to have option for a campground owner. I’ll look it over and see if I can improve the clarity on edit.

Below added on edit. I left the original up.

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No excavation or upgrades needed to provide a basic 32 or even 40 amp service. The EV driver has all the equipment he needs. It comes with the vehicle. All he or she needs is to pay the additional fee and subsequent permission to plug into the 14-50 receptacle with their EV. In our experience it’s really the only way we have ever seen it. Most EVSE’s that come with an EV limit current to 32 amp although there are a couple that limit to 40 amp when plugged into a 14 -50 service.

Another approach. Adding separate 48 amp J1772 EVSE’s in common parking spots is a nice to have not need to have albeit more costly approach for the campground owner. But also allows for a faster charge service. A campground down the road from us has done that. Probably a little easier to control though. They marked the spots as EV parking only and then just charge a flat fee although I don’t know how much. They went with a 48 EVSE so a 60 amp breaker.

I think a lot of confusion and negativity on the topic comes out of not knowing how the charging on an EV works. If nothing else threads like this allow those of us driving EV’s to pass on that knowledge.

Hopefully the above edits clear things up.

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Can someone explain to me the actual time in minutes or hours, whatever. How long is a 'fast charge'. Assume you have a three quarters batter discharge on a trip. How long does it take to recharge that battery.

People keep saying fast charge and quick charge which no definition in time.

Not to argue 'gas vs electric', just comparing time to fill tank vs time to charge when you are on a trip that's more miles than a battery will take you and you need a charge somewhere, wherever that exists.


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