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Posted: 03/06/22 05:24pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You will be much happier with a F250 and the 7.3L gas engine.

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theoldwizard1 wrote:

You will be much happier with a F250 and the 7.3L gas engine.

x2 or even a ram 2500 with the 6.4 and 8 speed.

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Well, you are going to be towing 10k lbs, you are looking for a new truck, just go right to the F250.
Regardless if it’s rated for it or not, I wouldn’t want to have 10k lbs behind a 1/2 ton.

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BusterandBelle wrote:

I am shopping for a new truck. I pull a fifth wheel, around 10,000 pounds including contents.

I have a 2009 F150, and I find it marginal on long hills. I would not feel comfortable hauling through the Rockies, which is on our bucket list.

The new F150's have a higher towing capacity than my old one. But are they strong enough, or do I need to be looking at the F250?

Any comments would be helpful?


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Thank you all. Good advice.

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Assuming it's 10k lb GVWR, expect the pin weight to be 2000-2500lb. Plus another 100-200lb for the hitch, say 300-500lb for passengers along with anything else in the truck.

This puts they load in the truck up around 2400-3200lb plus whatever else is in the truck. Buying a new truck, I would assume it's on the higher end, so look for a payload up around 3500lb or better.

It's the rare 1/2 ton that has a 2400lb payload and to my knowledge, none are up around 3200lb.

Honestly, even with a 3/4 ton, check the payload as some are down in the 2000-2200lb range.

A 1 ton SRW is a nice option if you are buying new.

Having enough horsepower to pull it is less likely to be an issue. Particularly if you go with the 3.5 ecoboost. Up in the mountains naturally aspirated engines lose power the higher you go. At 8000ft, you may be down by 25-30% on power because the air is thin. A turbo negates this to a large degree by force feeding air into the engine.

If you move up to a 3/4 or 1 ton with the new 7.3, you don't get a turbo but you start at 430HP, so even if you lose a good bit at altitude, you will still mostly be north of 300HP available. The ecoboost is around 375HP last I checked, so you can lose a lot before you are down in the range of the ecoboost.

It wasn't that long about that the monster towing diesel engines were down around 300hp, so the modern high HP gas engines are capable (you will need to wind up the RPM but they are designed to do that)


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While I agree that a 3/4 ton will tow your trailer better from a stability/ heavier chassis standpoint, no question, you didn’t say you were looking for a heavier duty truck and presumably are fine with how your current F150 handles the trailer, save for power.
Given the choice I’d rather a 3/4 ton, but I’m accustomed to doing more with a 1/2 ton than many. I don't blink an eye at towing 10k+ lbs through the mountains with one.

The power out of any of the top end 1/2 tons will match or sometimes beat a 3/4 ton gasser.
But the chassis’s will be fairly similar. Save for more technology and a little better brakes.
A new Ecoboost or even a 5.0 10 speed will blow away your old F150 pulling.

If I wasn’t piling on a lot of daily driver miles between towing duties and the truck was primarily tow pig and less commuter, AND I was going for a new truck, I’d get a 3/4 ton though


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The new half tons are pretty stout. I tow with a half ton right now but would never consider pulling any fifth wheel with one. To me, the main concern are the non floating axles. The weight is supported by the actual axle shafts. The reason people are able to over load 3/4 ton and larger trucks with seldom failures is because of the axle and bearing set up.


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I'd start with a trip to a CAT scale to understand what your current weights are, especially rear axle and GVWR of the F-150.

If you want to tow in the mountains, then I recommend something with forced induction. The F.150 with 3.5L ecoboost and 10-spd trans will outpull your current truck very easily. But there is such a wide range in available pin weight on half tons.

Otherwise, any 2022 gas 3/4 ton will have more power and better gearing than you have now which will also an improvement, but suffer the same power loss at higher elevations as your current 5.4L.


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The GM and Ram with the small diesel would be a good option as well as the eco boost for doing elevation dives above 6000' too.
My 1500 has a factory 2000 lb rating. I've done 3000 lb loads with out issues. Stock was not as much fun per say as with a 1500 lb helper spring. My suspension drop is now about half of stock.
If doing what you are, a 2500 would be the better option. An ext cab with with bed should have 3000 lbs if payload, 4000+ lbs before going over axle ratings. I'd license the truck where I am at 12,000 gvwr. I'd be legal towing a 10k 5th wheel. My 1500 as is son's, other has a Tacoma 4x, all have 8k plates. Techniques I'm good for 2700 lbs of payload legally speaking. I would not tow a 10k trailer ,5w no! Ball mount shorter local distances yes, RV across the country no! That's with my V6. The other option motors yes.
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