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How far can you tow on a charge


Kinda depends. I’ll speculate on around 240 kilometres....ish?


Wow, only about 150 miles? And you're only towing a tear drop.Obviously a ways to go before EV's become practical TV's....


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Just curious.
How far can you tow on a charge (lets say on the hwy)?
And how long does it take to recharge?
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Kinda depends. We are in BC so mostly mountain type 2 lane roads. We have never run it down anywhere close to zero, but I’ll speculate on around 240 kilometres....ish?

A typical Supercharger stop is around 15 minutes for us, maybe 20 minutes if we are having lunch. A typical travel day for us is anywhere from 30 minutes to 4 hours. We usually have to stop to pee before we have to stop to charge. [emoticon]. We combine the two. [emoticon]. Works for us.

Hope that helps.


That does. Thank you.

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SteveAE wrote:


How far can you tow on a charge


Kinda depends. I’ll speculate on around 240 kilometres....ish?


Wow, only about 150 miles? And you're only towing a tear drop.Obviously a ways to go before EV's become practical TV's....


Well, its an SUV, not a truck. . Our Jeep Grand Cherokee was marginally better.

But yah, depends on your needs I suppose. Practical enough for us. A really long day behind the wheel for us is 4 hours and most of the time it’s closer to an hour or two. But yah. One should buy what they need.

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Thanks for posting this info. I’ve been very curious about real world experience with a BEV.


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Thanks for posting this info. I’ve been very curious about real world experience with a BEV.


Your welcome. I think the EV trucks will be better for towing than the EV SUV’s. But we are a one car family and it can’t be a truck, or at least not now. So an EV SUV is a good fit for us, our little trailer and our camping lifestyle.

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What are you charged for the charge? Does Tesla mark up the kwh rate the local utility charges for power and by how much?

Tesla has about 8 Superchargers in large shopping center just off I-4 in our community. Seems they are all in use constantly in daytime.

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What are you charged for the charge? Does Tesla mark up the kwh rate the local utility charges for power and by how much?

Tesla has about 8 Superchargers in large shopping center just off I-4 in our community. Seems they are all in use constantly in daytime.


Depends on the state of charge when we arrive but I’ll say on average maybe 18 to 25 bucks. It’s billed by the minute, not kwh, and the rate you pay is determined by the speed your battery accepts the charge. It’s at least 4 times cheaper at home. As well, in our experience it’s also cheaper at campgrounds at level 2 overnight. Most campgrounds are pretty reasonable for a charge fee, and some don’t charge, as long as you don’t plug both the EV and RV in at the same time.

I think KOA has it right adding J1772 plugs right on the pedestal. Probably a sign of things to come. And probably a good revenue stream.

Hope that helps.

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Where is the charger port on your car? It seems like with your combo you could take up only 2 Supercharger spots from the pic you showed (or unhook the trailer in any parking spot while you charge).

Also, this seems more appropriate for the TV area not TT.


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Where is the charger port on your car? It seems like with your combo you could take up only 2 Supercharger spots from the pic you showed (or unhook the trailer in any parking spot while you charge).

Also, this seems more appropriate for the TV area not TT.


It’s on the rear drivers side. And yes, I could have pulled up to the next (last) one. But there was a lady in her truck having lunch and I didn’t want to make her feel uncomfortable pulling forward and getting close to her truck. Nice lady. I talked to her afterwards.

This is a 16 stall charger location so I wasn’t inconveniencing anyone. But thought the sceenario was indicative of what us tesla owners who tow face sometimes. Towing small trailers,with Teslas, especially teardrops Is getting quite common in this area. BC has the highest adoption rate of EV’s in North America.

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thomasmnile wrote:

What are you charged for the charge? Does Tesla mark up the kwh rate the local utility charges for power and by how much?

Tesla has about 8 Superchargers in large shopping center just off I-4 in our community. Seems they are all in use constantly in daytime.


Depends on the state of charge when we arrive but I’ll say on average maybe 18 to 25 bucks. It’s billed by the minute, not kwh, and the rate you pay is determined by the speed your battery accepts the charge. It’s at least 4 times cheaper at home. As well, in our experience it’s also cheaper at campgrounds at level 2 overnight. Most campgrounds are pretty reasonable for a charge fee, and some don’t charge, as long as you don’t plug both the EV and RV in at the same time.

I think KOA has it right adding J1772 plugs right on the pedestal. Probably a sign of things to come. And probably a good revenue stream.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.

John.


Interesting,

Say at $25 per charge you mentioned and you get roughly 150 miles per charge towing that is about $.17 cents per mile.

But for the concerns of most RV'rs if you "ramped up" the size and weight of the tow vehicle and trailer trailer I suspect the mileage between charges will drop considerably and or would require a much bigger battery pack than what is currently offered to get back to 150 mile range towing.

Upgrading the size of battery pack will then add more charging time which in turn will ultimately cost you much more than $25 per charge.

To put that into perspective, my current truck averages 10 MPG towing, truck empty weight 5742 lbs per my DOT documents and 26ft trailer empty weight is 4,800 lbs. Combo I am at 10,542 lbs empty, loaded for camping around 12,000 lbs.

At average current fuel pricing of $4.00 my cost would be $.40 per mile.

Your rig by my best guess is 5,000-5,500 lbs vehicle and 1,900-2,900 lbs for the trailer. A combo of up to 8,400 lbs loaded, about 4K lbs shy of my loaded combo weight.

While it looks like you are saving money right now but what happens when you start scaling the size and weight that up? That is the real life question.

I suspect it won't be the same $25 or less per charge and you won't be getting 150 mile towing range..

I really don't mind my $.40 per mile cost, my truck tank is 35 gallon, I carry a 15 gallon tank in the truck bed and with 10 MPG that gives me up to 500 miles of towing range without the need to stop for fuel.

Sure, we have to take "nature stops" but now we no longer have to waste time finding decent setup fuel stations for our truck and trailer to get in and out of. Since we are towing a trailer with it's own toilet we can pull off anywhere, anytime we need to and not offend the general population trying get their fuel.

The 15gallon tank eliminated two time wasting fuel stops on one of our routes.. Takes about 8-10 minutes to fuel up not including waiting to get a pump spot or the other 20-30 minutes wasted in driving out of the way to reach a station. We now get to our destination over 1 hr faster by getting rid of two fuel stops.

We like many other RV'rs drive considerably longer than 4 hrs per day, I typically will drive 10hrs per day. The reasoning for this is we only have a set amount of vacation days that we can set aside for driving to and from our destination. As it is Our normal destination is split between two days each way. That is 4 days travel at 10hrs each day..

Driving only 4 hrs per day would mean we would need five days each way and spend only 4 days at our destination..

Glad it works for you.

Myself, nope, fuel stops are not the destination/highlight of our trips and they no longer rule my stops, I am not going backwards in life to bend for EV.. They will have to improve EV distance towing and much much shorter charging times for the bigger battery for myself to consider it.

* This post was edited 04/05/22 12:50pm by Gdetrailer *

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