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keithos27

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Thanks Mr. Mark. I hear you - I just worry I won't find anything I like in my price range used for what you are recommending. Used is certainly cheaper than new, but I'm not finding any $2M+ coaches for $500K now (without them looking horrendous - IMO - nowadays).

I get it... Prevost is the best. But does that really mean that all the other stuff out there is ****? I can't imagine for $500-$800K for a new 45' Class A from the "lesser brands" you get garbage?

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Regular coaches are not garbage, but its not the quality of the Prevost chassis. A four slide empty Prevost chassis is $750,000 new, then the conversion starts.

Prevosts have a true stainless steel monocoque chassis with a Kevlar composite exterior on the H-3 45's... the XL 45's have Kevlar and stainless steel exteriors. Prevost have REAL front and rear bumpers, they can take a beating and keep on ticking! LOL!

It's the safety of the chassis that is priceless. You can pretty much roll a Prevost and it stay intact whereas a 'house-on-frame' will fall apart.

I have friends that had an older Prevost and a drunk driver hit them head-on. The passenger door was pushed in so they had to go out the emergency window. The coach was intact but totaled because of age. They survived! The accident broke the steering and it ended up wandering into a ditch in one piece! They bought another Prevost.

99% of the time we will not be in a serious accident, until we are.

Thats why I bought a Mercedes Sprinter, it's all a one piece chassis which makes it solid, not a cut-a-way chassis.

But, buy what works for you.

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Mark


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Might look at used Blue Birds (the 450's). Yes, used but I've seen a few with low miles and less than half of a new 500,000.00 coach! That's just me though....I've always wanted a "Bird". Good luck in your search!


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Why is everybody so he11 bent to sway the OP onto an old used coach? He specifically said brand new. I'm with him -- something 15 years old . . . is just old . . . no matter how expensive and nice it was when it was new.


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Many (most?) "old" Prevost's are as nice, or nicer than the new fiberglass coaches and, as mentioned above, 1000% safer. The ride and handling is so far superior there simply is no comparison. Most of the old Prevost's have been remodeled to reflect today's decor and the bugs that haunt all those new coaches are gone. Service is available Nationwide and the support network is terrific. An XL2 in the 2007 - 2008 range will cost less than $500,000 and will be work a pile more money when you sell it years from now (if you can bare to let it go)!
Are they all just right for your needs? Of course not! Put there likely is at least one that is. You just have to keep looking. Prevost-Stuff, Prevost Community, Olympia Coach, East Tennessee Luxury Coach, Marathon and Liberty Coach are the major players in this field and it's worth a serious look before spending that kind of cash. Find one somewhere that you can drive and you will never look back.
This is our 1998 Country Coach. Nothing old about this coach. It is a non-slide, but that's our choice for a number of reasons. A dual slide would give you substantially more floor space.

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RetiredRealtorRick wrote:

Why is everybody so he11 bent to sway the OP onto an old used coach? He specifically said brand new. I'm with him -- something 15 years old . . . is just old . . . no matter how expensive and nice it was when it was new.


I don't want to come across as 'hellbent'....but, a 15 yr. old Prevost can still look like new.

Look at this coach for an example, a 2007 for $549,000.
https://www.prevostcommunity.com/coach-details.asp?ID=4420

Many Prevost coaches will have 12-15 coats of paint.

The Prevost service centers alone will impress the heck out of you!
Windshields can a run $500-600 each side (sometimes on sale) as they are bought in volume.

I just wanted to point out a Prevost chassis is not like any other chassis as it has robust parts that are truly built to run millions of miles. The belts can be changed on the side of the road in less than 30 min because they have air tensioners. The radiators and CAC's can be removed from the side opening. The engines can be slid out the back if needed.

But, we all buy and drive what we like.

Safe travels,
Mark

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I appreciate all of the insight. Are these updates Prevost models also updated with the latest driver aids in this price range usually? 360 degree cameras? Macerators? Etc?

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keithos27 wrote:

I appreciate all of the insight. Are these updates Prevost models also updated with the latest driver aids in this price range usually? 360 degree cameras? Macerators? Etc?


Thats hard to answer as it all depends on what the previous owner has updated. My understanding is that Marathon does not install macerators, I did have one on my Liberty but only used it once to see if it worked, it did but never needed it.

I did use the one on my Dynasty but macerators are rather slow.

Each Prevost is unique as each are generally custom ordered by the customer. They will have the normal amenities but ALL Prevost chassis's will have the same million mile quality.

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[quote=Mr.Mark]I did use the one on my Dynasty but macerators are rather slow.
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Mr Mark, you are right about the old macerators being slow but the new Sanicon Turbo which uses a 1" hose is pretty quick. I have used it to pump 200' several times over fairly level ground.

I like to read your insight on Prevost, etc.


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I, too, appreciate all the insights and how Prevost is better than the 2nd tier options.

That being said - no one has taken a stab at answering questions around ride quality for the Zephyr vs Entegra or say a London Aire.

I can appreciate that Prevost are the top of the line chassis option.

Also, how can all the non-Prevost options be unsafe? I’m also looking to do ~10k miles / year. Dad, mom, two year old, and another on the way. This would be for traveling around in luxury.

Thank you all for the discussion!

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