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valhalla360 wrote:Reisender wrote:valhalla360 wrote:time2roll wrote:Good chance there will need to be far fewer mechanics for EVs.
I speculate half the current service locations could be out of business.
I could see a small reduction but looking back at the work I've had done over the last couple decades...vast majority was tires/suspensions/brakes and other minor things that had nothing to do with ICE vs EV.
There may or may not be some advantage to brakes on an EV. The last two times I've had brake issues, it was from lack of use (truck got stored for 6 months over the winter while working overseas). If you are easy on the brakes and the regenerative does all the work, will the hydraulic brakes develop similar issues on EVs?
Other than an oil change or two per year (3000miles is long gone), the actual drivetrain is incredibly reliable and doesn't take much to keep it going.
We can speculate a bit but I think it's too early to really state how much maintenance costs will be relative to ICE. Currently, there are very few 15-20yr old EVs kicking around and the vast majority have been purchased by higher income individuals who are less likely to hesitate paying for preventative maintenance.
As a commuter vehicle or for a local contractor not needing heavy towing, I see it as quite viable. With a 230mile base range and an extra $10k to get 330mile range, I can't see it being popular for towing when you will lose 1/3 to 1/2 that range.
True on the brakes causing problems because of non use. This is showing up on almost every brand of EV. Now Informed people are getting in the habit of a once a week hard brake application to try and avoid the issue. We make a point of it every time we come into town on a certain route with a big hill and a stoplight at the bottom. So far so good for us but I know Tesla and Kona owners that have had brake issues from non use.
Very interesting. It was speculation on my part but appears to be true.
Of course, if it's a common issue that might be solvable. If the system requires you to press the brake pedal when putting it in gear (I think all modern cars do), you could just adjust the sensor, so it has to be pushed far enough to actuate the hydraulic brakes to get it in gear.
Definitely have to press the brake to put any EV we have owned in gear.
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2oldman wrote:valhalla360 wrote:I can't see high performance being a real separator in real life use. It's also like when they talk about crazy 0-60 times.. People buy cars for all kinds of reasons, and if their ICE car could beat an EV at 0-60, I'm sure they'd be complaining about it.
I wonder if an electric dragster could beat a top fueler? That would really pi** some people off. At least they wouldn't have to rebuild the engine after every run or two.
Of course without all the noise and fire, what fun would that be?
If we are talking about high performance sports cars, I can see it having an impact but once a sedan/SUV/Pickup has brisk acceleration, I don't see many making it a big priority.
I looked up and right now, top fuel still blows EV dragsters away (3.8 vs 7.2 seconds).
- EVs have an advantage in control (ie: not having the wheels slip which reduces traction).
- Top Fuel still has better HP to weight.
Not that it's simple to get 7000hp out of a top fuel engine, they've had decades to work thru the issues. It's tricky getting 5000hp out of a battery pack thru the controllers and into the electric motors without burning up the electric systems. There are no off the shelf parts, so it's a new game. Look at stories about EVs doing the Nuremburg ring...often they go into limp mode because the systems overheat from too much electricity being pumped thru them.
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When pulling the teardrop with the Model Y are you seeing any noticeable range recovery from Regenerative Braking?
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stsmark wrote:When pulling the teardrop with the Model Y are you seeing any noticeable range recovery from Regenerative Braking?
Hmmm. Straight up answer is I haven’t been looking at the percentage of charge indicator so no. But now you’ve made me curious. Next time we do a long hill I’ll take a look. I did take a shot of the 3 consumption graphs with my iPhone at the request of a few folks in the EV tow group. I’m sure it’s noticeable there. I’ll upload them to Flickr and put one up on the board later. Just a guess but I’m thinking it would have to be a pretty long hill to click up the percentage meter. I’ll check it out.
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stsmark wrote:When pulling the teardrop with the Model Y are you seeing any noticeable range recovery from Regenerative Braking?
Okay. Here is the graph. This is the outbound trip only as I didn't take a snap of the return trip. All you can see is the last 50 kilometres of the trip because that is just how the software works. This is to Mabel Lake provincial park in BC from our place. Maybe 70 kilometres away. Keep in mind though its all secondary highways, meaning slower speed limits, 80 khm max and many times slower as it is a curvy twisty valley road and the last few kilometres are gravel and washboard. Good road mostly, just slow.
Anyway, you can see the up and the down hills. More up than down because it is at a higher altitude than us. I have never really paid much attention to this graph function before, but I took it at the request of the EV tow group members. I'm not really sure what if any useable information can be taken from this. But here it is. Enjoy. ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile")
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2oldman wrote:valhalla360 wrote:I can't see high performance being a real separator in real life use. It's also like when they talk about crazy 0-60 times.. People buy cars for all kinds of reasons, and if their ICE car could beat an EV at 0-60, I'm sure they'd be complaining about it.
I wonder if an electric dragster could beat a top fueler? That would really pi** some people off. At least they wouldn't have to rebuild the engine after every run or two.
Of course without all the noise and fire, what fun would that be?
Tell that to Don. He really "set the track on fire" a few days ago. He really did!!! ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
TF dragsters put out 10 to 12 thousand HP now days and cover 1000 feet in a little over three and a half seconds. Show me a picture of an electric motor that put out that kind of power and weighs the same or less and can fit in a chassis of a car.
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free radical wrote:FishOnOne wrote:goducks10 wrote:Can't wait to see how this plays out. I think Fords going to make a lot of anti EV haters rethink it. Of course not the macho macho men.
Macho macho men also review facts when making a decision.
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Also when fuel prices drop, and they will drop; the macho macho men that purchase this truck just to say they had the first one will be purchasing their next truck with potentially with a ICE.
Not that I care one way or other what anyone buys,
but anyone who drives Tesla will never go back to ICE.
Its that much better cheaper to fill up and way more eficient. Electric motor is about 99%.
I gave up on Ford about forty years ago due to awful quality problems and would never trust them doing ev better then Tesla
Only problem w Ev is the long wait,once thats solved ice is history.
https://youtu.be/N6-424eLgqI
That's why I specifically said "trucks" and not cars as Tesla only produces cars.
I'm sure if Tesla was producing vehicles for the masses 40 years ago they would of had quality issues as well. I believe they had there share of quality issues as of todays quality standards.
TFL's Ike Gaunlet test of the Rivian pulling a small trailer exposed the poor performance of the batteries capacity which the take away was
electric trucks are not ready to replace ICE trucks anytime soon.
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FishOnOne wrote:free radical wrote:FishOnOne wrote:goducks10 wrote:Can't wait to see how this plays out. I think Fords going to make a lot of anti EV haters rethink it. Of course not the macho macho men.
Macho macho men also review facts when making a decision.
Link
Also when fuel prices drop, and they will drop; the macho macho men that purchase this truck just to say they had the first one will be purchasing their next truck with potentially with a ICE.
Not that I care one way or other what anyone buys,
but anyone who drives Tesla will never go back to ICE.
Its that much better cheaper to fill up and way more eficient. Electric motor is about 99%.
I gave up on Ford about forty years ago due to awful quality problems and would never trust them doing ev better then Tesla
Only problem w Ev is the long wait,once thats solved ice is history.
https://youtu.be/N6-424eLgqI
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FishOnOne wrote:TFL's Ike Gaunlet test of the Rivian pulling a small trailer exposed the poor performance of the batteries capacity which the take away was
electric trucks are not ready to replace ICE trucks anytime soon. For the narrow specific use of towing a large frontal area trailer up hills and long distance, Yes.
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What Don Garlits says: https://youtu.be/3fhMbnuVpUE
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