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I don' know about that....We have been told repeatadly that EVs have fewer parts, and thus assembly is easier/cheaper, and there is less to go wrong.... So they are much more reliable... It almost sounds like the old commercial for Maytag, and their repairmen having nothing to do.....


I seriously doubt, they are suddenly going to staff up with electronics engineers who diagnose electronics issues and then break out the soldering gun and rewire the computer boards. The car will spit out a code and they will swap out chips/boards based on what the codes suggest.


Theses code are pretty accurate.’in a past job I worked on IBM Point of Sale equipment, this was back in the mid 1980’s. The main unit came with a large manual with “MAPS”. You would get a code or symptoms and follow the map, if this condition exist do one thing, if it doesn’t do something else. These usually directed you to a first visit resolution.


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but anyone who drives Tesla will never go back to ICE.

Its that much better cheaper to fill up and way more eficient. Electric motor is about 99%.

I gave up on Ford about forty years ago due to awful quality problems and would never trust them doing ev better then Tesla

Only problem w Ev is the long wait,once thats solved ice is history.

https://youtu.be/N6-424eLgqI


Lets see if you can still make that claim of cheaper to fill up once the powers that be wherever you are located institutes taxing the EV one way or the other to make up for the loss in road and other taxes, which the lack thereof is the only reason you can make that cheaper claim at present.

You gave up on Ford in 1982?


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but anyone who drives Tesla will never go back to ICE.

Its that much better cheaper to fill up and way more eficient. Electric motor is about 99%.

I gave up on Ford about forty years ago due to awful quality problems and would never trust them doing ev better then Tesla

Only problem w Ev is the long wait,once thats solved ice is history.

https://youtu.be/N6-424eLgqI


Lets see if you can still make that claim of cheaper to fill up once the powers that be wherever you are located institutes taxing the EV one way or the other to make up for the loss in road and other taxes, which the lack thereof is the only reason you can make that cheaper claim at present.

You gave up on Ford in 1982?


Meh. We have been hearing that for 7 years since we switched to EV’s. Back then it was 4 times cheaper to drive electric than gas. Now it’s 6 times cheaper.

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Hydro only is about 6.5% of the power in the US. The Math in the US is a lot different then in Canada.

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TFL's Ike Gaunlet test of the Rivian pulling a small trailer exposed the poor performance of the batteries capacity which the take away was
electric trucks are not ready to replace ICE trucks anytime soon.
For the narrow specific use of towing a large frontal area trailer up hills and long distance, Yes.

Plenty never tow anything ever.
Ummmm we are on the TOWING FORUM RIGHT? I am sure there is another forum somewhere to talk about commuter/grocery getter vehicles.


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TFL's Ike Gaunlet test of the Rivian pulling a small trailer exposed the poor performance of the batteries capacity which the take away was
electric trucks are not ready to replace ICE trucks anytime soon.
For the narrow specific use of towing a large frontal area trailer up hills and long distance, Yes.

Plenty never tow anything ever.
Ummmm we are on the TOWING FORUM RIGHT? I am sure there is another forum somewhere to talk about commuter/grocery getter vehicles.


I don’t know. Lots of people with half tons tow RV’s around here. Most never go more than a couple hours from home because they have to be back at work on Monday. Long haul heavy towing will stay in the realm of gas and diesel vehicles for a few years yet. But many just don’t do that. From personal experience towing with an EV is superior to towing with a gas vehicle. Those who try it will only look forward to the day they switch. We tend to go camping somewhere every week or two with our little trailer and are still amazed how nice of a towing experience it is compared to our previous SUV. To each his own though.

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Huntindog wrote:

time2roll wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

TFL's Ike Gaunlet test of the Rivian pulling a small trailer exposed the poor performance of the batteries capacity which the take away was
electric trucks are not ready to replace ICE trucks anytime soon.
For the narrow specific use of towing a large frontal area trailer up hills and long distance, Yes.

Plenty never tow anything ever.
Ummmm we are on the TOWING FORUM RIGHT? I am sure there is another forum somewhere to talk about commuter/grocery getter vehicles.


I don’t know. Lots of people with half tons tow RV’s around here. Most never go more than a couple hours from home because they have to be back at work on Monday. Long haul heavy towing will stay in the realm of gas and diesel vehicles for a few years yet. But many just don’t do that. From personal experience towing with an EV is superior to towing with a gas vehicle. Those who try it will only look forward to the day they switch. We tend to go camping somewhere every week or two with our little trailer and are still amazed how nice of a towing experience it is compared to our previous SUV. To each his own though.

Jmho.


The Rivian battery capacity is 1 mile/1 percent of battery capacity towing that small load which means the Rivian couldn't even make a 2 hour trip without having to disconnect the trailer and pull into a charging lane which is completely unacceptable.


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The Rivian battery capacity is 1 mile/1 percent of battery capacity towing that small load which means the Rivian couldn't even make a 2 hour trip without having to disconnect the trailer and pull into a charging lane which is completely unacceptable.


The Bezos specials are rolling into town here by the truckload. So Riv is the first EV local delivery trucks on the road, afaik. And I hope they do very well.
Seen a few of their pickups on the road around here. Looks like the suspension must lower a few inches at speed. Wheels looked stuffed.
One had the $5grand worth of overland truck bed rack/rooftop tent deal on it.
Must've been a convert from the bro dozer, wanna be rock crawler jeeps I spoke of last week on here. Wish I could have gotten a pic, but he was driving like a typical Seattlite as I blew past him doing about 90. (Probably saving the battery as there was a 40mile climb in front of him...)
Best part of the whole thing was he had among other super kool recovery and offroad gear on the rack, a rotopax gas jug!!
I'd say 50/50 shot of it being for looks, or to power his generator while he was roughing it...still ironic either way.

Worst part of the Riv R1T, is they don't have auto pilot, do they?
Seems like it would be very unsafe for me, as I couldn't drive one of them without a paper bag over my head, so as not to be shamed driving something that fugly!


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FishOnOne wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

time2roll wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

TFL's Ike Gaunlet test of the Rivian pulling a small trailer exposed the poor performance of the batteries capacity which the take away was
electric trucks are not ready to replace ICE trucks anytime soon.
For the narrow specific use of towing a large frontal area trailer up hills and long distance, Yes.

Plenty never tow anything ever.
Ummmm we are on the TOWING FORUM RIGHT? I am sure there is another forum somewhere to talk about commuter/grocery getter vehicles.


I don’t know. Lots of people with half tons tow RV’s around here. Most never go more than a couple hours from home because they have to be back at work on Monday. Long haul heavy towing will stay in the realm of gas and diesel vehicles for a few years yet. But many just don’t do that. From personal experience towing with an EV is superior to towing with a gas vehicle. Those who try it will only look forward to the day they switch. We tend to go camping somewhere every week or two with our little trailer and are still amazed how nice of a towing experience it is compared to our previous SUV. To each his own though.

Jmho.


The Rivian battery capacity is 1 mile/1 percent of battery capacity towing that small load which means the Rivian couldn't even make a 2 hour trip without having to disconnect the trailer and pull into a charging lane which is completely unacceptable.


I don’t know. A few things stand out to me.

- The Rivian battery capacity was 1 mile per 1 percent of battery in a stretch of highway that changed almost 7000 feet in altitude.

- That was a medium range model. That’s probably all they could get for the test.

- it might be just how we use our half tons here but 8100 pounds would not be considered a small load for a half ton. Not necessarily heavy either, but most people around here start to look at 3/4 tons if they are towing north of 8000 pounds regularly. Might just be a regional thing.

Jmho.

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Reisender wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Reisender wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

time2roll wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

TFL's Ike Gaunlet test of the Rivian pulling a small trailer exposed the poor performance of the batteries capacity which the take away was
electric trucks are not ready to replace ICE trucks anytime soon.
For the narrow specific use of towing a large frontal area trailer up hills and long distance, Yes.

Plenty never tow anything ever.
Ummmm we are on the TOWING FORUM RIGHT? I am sure there is another forum somewhere to talk about commuter/grocery getter vehicles.


I don’t know. Lots of people with half tons tow RV’s around here. Most never go more than a couple hours from home because they have to be back at work on Monday. Long haul heavy towing will stay in the realm of gas and diesel vehicles for a few years yet. But many just don’t do that. From personal experience towing with an EV is superior to towing with a gas vehicle. Those who try it will only look forward to the day they switch. We tend to go camping somewhere every week or two with our little trailer and are still amazed how nice of a towing experience it is compared to our previous SUV. To each his own though.

Jmho.


The Rivian battery capacity is 1 mile/1 percent of battery capacity towing that small load which means the Rivian couldn't even make a 2 hour trip without having to disconnect the trailer and pull into a charging lane which is completely unacceptable.


I don’t know. A few things stand out to me.

- The Rivian battery capacity was 1 mile per 1 percent of battery in a stretch of highway that changed almost 7000 feet in altitude.

- That was a medium range model. That’s probably all they could get for the test.

- it might be just how we use our half tons here but 8100 pounds would not be considered a small load for a half ton. Not necessarily heavy either, but most people around here start to look at 3/4 tons if they are towing north of 8000 pounds regularly. Might just be a regional thing.

Jmho.


Could be but the technology for battery capacity compared to a fuel tank capacity is still a real issue as layed out in the early video I posted by Engineering Explained. A gas truck pulling that same load is able to tow the load to the Ike, perform the test and drive back to their office without refueling.

The battery capacity problem is not as significant in a car but for a truck is a showstopper IMO.

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