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Posted: 05/07/22 03:33pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

toedtoes wrote:

There are always idiots who say "never" to anything they don't personally like. Nothing you say or show will convince them otherwise.

Personally, I camp with only propane and battery. No generator, no hookups, no solar. Many will argue that I am doing it all wrong and how I need to do this or that to improve my camping experience. I just ignore them, save my money, and enjoy my camping my way.




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I know. It's sacrilegious... ??


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toedtoes wrote:

There are always idiots who say "never" to anything they don't personally like. Nothing you say or show will convince them otherwise.

Personally, I camp with only propane and battery. No generator, no hookups, no solar. Many will argue that I am doing it all wrong and how I need to do this or that to improve my camping experience. I just ignore them, save my money, and enjoy my camping my way.


You could also add to the opening statement that they also tell others they are fools if they don't use items on their "approved list". (ie Battery type, Generator Brand, Battery Monitor, etc)


When it comes to eliminating Propane from one's typical RV one might be able to do so if they only camp in temperate climes. I encountered a couple in Arizona a couple years ago that had about 600w of solar power on the roof of their converted Step-Van and cooked using either an Instant Pot or Induction "hot plate".

Since they didn't need either heat or A/C it was very workable.

I do think that many have either never camped "old school" in a tent of old "teardrop trailer" or if they have, they've forgotten how it was done without heaters. Perhaps that was why large dog breeds were so popular back in the day [emoticon]


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Microlite Mike I have definitely been there, when used to ride motorcycle, and 3 mates shared a 4 man tent and could have gotten away with a 2 person one.
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I must have missed the part where it was said someone was a fool or that it couldn't be done.


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Posted: 05/08/22 08:15am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Microlite Mike wrote:

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When it comes to eliminating Propane from one's typical RV one might be able to do so if they only camp in temperate climes. I encountered a couple in Arizona a couple years ago that had about 600w of solar power on the roof of their converted Step-Van and cooked using either an Instant Pot or Induction "hot plate".

Since they didn't need either heat or A/C it was very workable.

I do think that many have either never camped "old school" in a tent of old "teardrop trailer" or if they have, they've forgotten how it was done without heaters. Perhaps that was why large dog breeds were so popular back in the day [emoticon]


I have camped old school - for years! This was our rig for decades. Camp outside Jos And, after years of freezing our knees, even with a dog, we are all about heat.

As noted, we use a microwave/toaster/induction cooktop/Nespresso and are now playing with an Instant Pot. (Gotta measure the total amp draw when pressure cooking.) Never run out of power.

I find your comment about heat to be a bit the reverse of our experience. With diesel heat and a fullish tank, we have heat for weeks, if not months, even at 0F. Now, we are not a 'typical' RV in that we have dual pane windows, no cold bridges, and about two inches of foam on all sides. But I would propose that it is propane heat, not diesel heat that is limiting. In fact, at 30k BTU, our Dual Top is actually oversized for our space. (The cat does not complain. [emoticon])


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DiploStrat wrote:

As noted previously, agreed. I could have been more precise in the thread title.


Or completely misleading.

Should have been:

"Practicality of a Diesel-Electric Camper"


Yes, it can certainly be done. Heck it's done with trains and ships. Certainly can be done with an RV but the market is largely built around propane so unless you have a specialty need, there isn't really any benefit for the vast majority of people.


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valhalla360 wrote:

DiploStrat wrote:

As noted previously, agreed. I could have been more precise in the thread title.


Or completely misleading.

Should have been:

"Practicality of a Diesel-Electric Camper"


Yes, it can certainly be done. Heck it's done with trains and ships. Certainly can be done with an RV but the market is largely built around propane so unless you have a specialty need, there isn't really any benefit for the vast majority of people.


EDITED TO READ: Fixed the Topic title! [emoticon]


Certainly no attempt to mislead. Quite the contrary, my soapbox is built by the people telling me that I can't do what I have done for years. [emoticon]

Agree completely, not everybody wants to do what I do, but a lot of people who visit our camper are interested.


* This post was edited 05/08/22 09:18am by DiploStrat *

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For those who are towing with trucks like the Rivian or the F150 lightning I suppose they could just use the 120 volt output on the truck to power things like ceramic stoves or water heaters or heat pumps or whatever. Or just use a trailers on board battery bank and recharge it from a robust charging system using the trucks 120 volt or 240 volt output. Of course one would at some point need to have access to a fast charger for the truck at a reasonable distance to the camping site.

Our tow vehicle is electric but I can’t see us ever doing anything like that as the propane system on our trailer meets all our needs. We do have the ability to charge the trailer AGMs from the tow vehicle albeit at max 10 amps at 12 volts. Good enough in a pinch if we ran the trailer battery down and we needed 12 volts for the trailers hydronic heating water circulation pump. But other than testing the concept we have never had to do that. And unlike the new 1/2 ton electric trucks our Electric SUV doesn’t have a built in 120 volt inverter. Meh, propane is fine for us. The all electric concept is kinda cool though.

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there is a water heating system or two (Aqua-Hot for one) that uses diesel fuel to heat or uses engine heat... And you can use the hot water to heat cabin if you have enough of it.. (There used to be a residential water heater that did that in fact.. Hi-Point made in Marshall, MI.)

but I don't know anyone doing it.. I like propane for cooking, though I often use gas.


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