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Posted: 05/13/22 09:27am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

GrandpaKip wrote:

Maybe I missed it, but have you looked at the door sticker on your truck?


Yep. It matches the info from the towing capacity sheet I included before.
GAWR: 3900 for both front and rear
GVWR: 6800

Requires PSI of 39lbs/in in tires.

It doesn't state an actual weight from the time of manufacturing.

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kcstrom wrote:

GrandpaKip wrote:

Maybe I missed it, but have you looked at the door sticker on your truck?


Yep. It matches the info from the towing capacity sheet I included before.
GAWR: 3900 for both front and rear
GVWR: 6800

Requires PSI of 39lbs/in in tires.

It doesn't state an actual weight from the time of manufacturing.


With all due respect, you don't understand enough about vehicles to understand what/how to make this work with your current truck.
Get a 3/4 ton. Requires no thinking.


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Grit Dog,
Thanks for the pointing out my error. It has been quite a few years since I had that truck. I fixed it.

Regarding it being applicable to the OP, I only posted it to point out that GVWR was not the big thing to worry about unless it is grossly overweight. I agree that if he is really worried about being too close he should look at 250/2500 vehicles.
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Posted: 05/14/22 08:39am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

kcstrom wrote:

GrandpaKip wrote:

Maybe I missed it, but have you looked at the door sticker on your truck?


Yep. It matches the info from the towing capacity sheet I included before.
GAWR: 3900 for both front and rear
GVWR: 6800

Requires PSI of 39lbs/in in tires.

It doesn't state an actual weight from the time of manufacturing.

What about the payload?


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Posted: 05/14/22 08:44am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

GrandpaKip wrote:

kcstrom wrote:

GrandpaKip wrote:

Maybe I missed it, but have you looked at the door sticker on your truck?


Yep. It matches the info from the towing capacity sheet I included before.
GAWR: 3900 for both front and rear
GVWR: 6800

Requires PSI of 39lbs/in in tires.

It doesn't state an actual weight from the time of manufacturing.

What about the payload?


-It doesn't say anything about payload or measured weight at manufacturing. Only the GAWR and GVWR and require tired pressure.-

Edit: I looked again and found there is another sticker on the body inside the door, apart from the stickers on the (end of the)door itself. This does state a payload of 1139. You learn something new everyday!

So, this indicates it had a known difference of (1390-1139 =) 251 from what the spec sheet says. I guess additional options or just variance in weight as manufactured account for 251 pounds of mystery weight. Only ~300 more to find! lol

* This post was edited 05/14/22 09:05am by kcstrom *

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BarneyS wrote:

Grit Dog,
Thanks for the pointing out my error. It has been quite a few years since I had that truck. I fixed it.

Regarding it being applicable to the OP, I only posted it to point out that GVWR was not the big thing to worry about unless it is grossly overweight. I agree that if he is really worried about being too close he should look at 250/2500 vehicles.
Barney


Ha! I was hoping to hear that you had stuffed a hi-po 440 in a 2nd Gen!
And you’re absolutely correct, with your old truck also being a great example of a neutered gvw with far more capacity than “advertised.”
Although, low gvw rated 3/4tons have FAR more actual axle capacity than shown, whereas most half tons are much closer to their real axle capacity ratings (what the axle was designed for, not the rawr sticker). With springs upgradeable easily, axle (and OE tire) limitations are generally the real world limiting factor on half tons. Where that’s not the case with 3/4 tons which generally have the same or similar axles as 1 tons and duallies.

This is what generally falls on deaf ears on anyone who is concerned about weight and knows nothing, nor wants to learn “why” they should actually be concerned.

Case in point, OP believes his stronger/better pulling drivetrain (transmission specifically) is worse than the other option because that’s what it says on paper.

Fun fact, I’m pretty sure FCA de-rated first year ZF 8speed trucks. Why? Idk. But the rating isn’t consistent with 2014-up which is same everything as 2013, first year partial ZF intro.

MAybe this “useless” knowledge will be of interest to someone else looking for info.

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Posted: 05/14/22 10:42am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

kcstrom wrote:

GrandpaKip wrote:

kcstrom wrote:

GrandpaKip wrote:

Maybe I missed it, but have you looked at the door sticker on your truck?


Yep. It matches the info from the towing capacity sheet I included before.
GAWR: 3900 for both front and rear
GVWR: 6800

Requires PSI of 39lbs/in in tires.

It doesn't state an actual weight from the time of manufacturing.

What about the payload?


-It doesn't say anything about payload or measured weight at manufacturing. Only the GAWR and GVWR and require tired pressure.-

Edit: I looked again and found there is another sticker on the body inside the door, apart from the stickers on the (end of the)door itself. This does state a payload of 1139. You learn something new everyday!

So, this indicates it had a known difference of (1390-1139 =) 251 from what the spec sheet says. I guess additional options or just variance in weight as manufactured account for 251 pounds of mystery weight. Only ~300 more to find! lol


Normally the yellow sticker is a good starting point but since you already took it to a CAT scale, even that is superseded.

If you are over by 100-200lb, I might not get too fussy about it but I'm betting you are over by several hundred pounds. Yes, even the smaller trailer will be iffy.

You might ask if the dealer will let you hook it up and swing thru a CAT scale to get real numbers (of course they will tell you it's fine...)

Suggest when you get the next truck pay close attention to the payload numbers. Many trucks can only theoretically tow to their rating as they run out of payload. Towing over the limits can be done but it's often not a fun experience.


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Here’s something that will blow minds of those who are a little knowledgeable and think that any semi floating (aka c clip) axle is weak.
I have an 8600gvw pickup (3/4 ton 8 lug), “camper special” at that, with a curb weight of around 5k and an unloaded ra weight of around 2500lbs. That truck has a c clip axle from the factory AND an estimated 6klb rawr (if they had put a sticker on it ).
Crazy, I know…

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