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willald

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Posted: 05/24/22 08:17am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

MFL wrote:

I gotta say...didn't read all 9 pages! However, seems pretty simple to me! No one has just one vehicle anymore. Let the Op get their SUV, load kiddos till full. Let Granny drive this one, hook Gramps old truck to camper, load remaining kids, and get on the road! When passenger list is light, use whatever vehicle works best.

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True, most folks have multiple vehicles. However, I'm betting the OP, like many, does not want to have to drive two separate vehicles when going camping. Takes a lot of the fun out, when can't all ride together.

Then again.....If one was going to be taking 10 grand children on long road trips when going camping....Maybe separate vehicles could be a very, very good thing. [emoticon]

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BCSnob wrote:

Curious, what percentage of the time do people need to use 4wd in the winter to get around on the roads?

How well would someone from WA know the winter road conditions (ability of WI Dot to plow) in WI or any where in the Great Lakes region?


There ya go making assumptions...lol. If it helps you sleep at night not wondering how someone who lives in WA (where it also snows, lol) would know what snow conditions in WI are like, I am not "from" WA, I am "from" the upper midwest and I've "lived" in the western mountains or nearby from AZ to AK since coming from the midwest, save for a year back in N WI. And while most of y'all are arguing the finer points of a wdh for your camper, all winter, I try to find the biggest snow strom and drive into it, with a 28' trailer in tow, so I can go try not to get too stuck on the side of a mountain somewhere with something with 1 wheel drive (but it's a big wheel with big treads, lol).
And snow is snow, except it's different based on moisture content and temperature. I'd actually take my chances in an average WI winter with no 4wd than in Western WA....because the snow is slippery-er here.

"Need" 4wd? Idk, sometimes it's needed sometimes it's a luxury, sometimes its of no use (hence most 4wd vehicles have this little lever or switch to turn it off). I could live without alot of luxuries. We all could, but if you have the means?


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MFL wrote:

I gotta say...didn't read all 9 pages!

Jerry


You should. It's entertaining!

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mkirsch wrote:

willald wrote:

This has been a challenge for a very long time, and hasn't got any better over the years. How does one safely bring a large family (too large for a pickup) and tow an RV trailer?


Why would it get any better? It's such an uncommon requirement that the manufacturers see no market for a vehicle that meets those needs.


Exactly. For that reason and stricter federal fuel efficiency requirements, is why you don't see 3/4 ton SUVs.


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bikendan wrote:

mkirsch wrote:

willald wrote:

This has been a challenge for a very long time, and hasn't got any better over the years. How does one safely bring a large family (too large for a pickup) and tow an RV trailer?


Why would it get any better? It's such an uncommon requirement that the manufacturers see no market for a vehicle that meets those needs.


Exactly. For that reason and stricter federal fuel efficiency requirements, is why you don't see 3/4 ton SUVs.


All good points and a good discussion. Looking back, 3/4 ton suvs were around before crew cab trucks even existed and still popular when crew cabs became more mainstream. Although 4 door SUVs were never "that" popular, as ONLY GM made them for years (and still does, just not for civilian use unfortunately). Ford and Dodge never made a 4 door 1/2 ton suv until the Expedition came along. Dodge just now released the new Waggoneer, but not a 3/4 ton. Jeep made the Grand Waggoneer for a while, 1/2 ton only. And Ford made a 3/4 ton Excursion for like 6 or 7 years and stopped.

Proof that they were never a "huge" slice of the market and still aren't. And crew cab trucks have sliced that market even thinner.

Although I think now, 1 mfg could capitalize on a HD suv as what's left out there are now very rare and old and mostly high miles or beat up. Existing stock has been done used up...
But I'm no automotive financial analyst...

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The OP already has the trailer :
Retired Enjoy Life wrote:

We just purchased our first travel trailer. We are looking at purchasing a new tow vehicle. Would like recommendations on what tow vehicle is best what to avoid. We will be towing a bunkhouse GVWR is 7,500 lbs.
TIA for your recommendations.





Repeat recommendation of a full sized van :
BenK wrote:

Have a 1996 8.6K GVWR, K3500, 7.4L Suburban, but wanted a full sized 4x4 van, which wasn’t available back then…so settled for the 8 seat Suburban. Only half ton Suburbans are available to day, except for the armored 1 ton version, but only for VIP’s and the President and it’s tow rating is something like 3K

Today, if I was you, I’d get a 2022 GM/GMC full sized van, with 12 seating, 2.8L/4 cylinder Turbo Duramax, 8 speed, 31 gallon fuel tank, 9.9K GVWR & 15K GCWR. Rear wheel drive only. Gasser would be the 6.6L V8

You can take out a row of seats if not needed and that would increase cargo capacity and/or towing capacity


Link to GM/GMC site with specs. Listed at $42K MSRP base model
https://www.gmc.com/vans/savana/passeng........mensions&styleOne=423009&styleTwo=423021
IPad based post won’t allow clicks, so here are the raw links = https://www.gmc.com/vans/savana/passenger/build-and-price/features/trims/select/1?section=Highlights§ion=Mechanical&styleOne=423009

https://www.gmc.com/vans/savana/passenger/build-and-price/features/trims/table?section=Highlights§ion=Mechanical§ion=Dimensions&styleOne=423009&styleTwo=423021

The only potential issue would be GCWR if you load up both the TV & trailer, but that is something you can manage, which will take several trips to the scales



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bikendan wrote:

Exactly. For that reason and stricter federal fuel efficiency requirements, is why you don't see 3/4 ton SUVs.


Actually, 3/4 and heavier trucks are under different efficiency rules. That's why you won't see an MPG number on the window sticker.

But 3/4 ton SUVs were always an oddball item.

Back in the day, if you had 6 or more passengers, the choice was a van or people would load them in the back of the pickup with a cap on it (yeah, it was a different time). Back in the day, it wasn't unusual to see 60% of the trailers in a campground being pulled by a van.

Fast forward 30-50yrs and families have fewer members and a legitimate 6 passenger pickup is commonplace. The result is probably 75-90% of trailers are pulled by pickups.

It's also changed 5th wheels from being focused on older retired couples to a family RV option.


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Even more of an odd ball if it has the F60 snowplow option

That begets a 1 ton front torsion bar setup and the rear is the same as the 1 ton dually of that year...why tongue'n cheek refer to my Suburban as a K3500

valhalla360 wrote:

bikendan wrote:

Exactly. For that reason and stricter federal fuel efficiency requirements, is why you don't see 3/4 ton SUVs.


Actually, 3/4 and heavier trucks are under different efficiency rules. That's why you won't see an MPG number on the window sticker.

But 3/4 ton SUVs were always an oddball item.

Back in the day, if you had 6 or more passengers, the choice was a van or people would load them in the back of the pickup with a cap on it (yeah, it was a different time). Back in the day, it wasn't unusual to see 60% of the trailers in a campground being pulled by a van.

Fast forward 30-50yrs and families have fewer members and a legitimate 6 passenger pickup is commonplace. The result is probably 75-90% of trailers are pulled by pickups.

It's also changed 5th wheels from being focused on older retired couples to a family RV option.


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BCSnob wrote:

Curious, what percentage of the time do people need to use 4wd in the winter to get around on the roads?

How well would someone from WA know the winter road conditions (ability of WI Dot to plow) in WI or any where in the Great Lakes region?

I drove a 3/4 ton company van back in the 90’s, through upstate NYS winters and never had a problem.

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Geo*Boy wrote:

BCSnob wrote:

Curious, what percentage of the time do people need to use 4wd in the winter to get around on the roads?

How well would someone from WA know the winter road conditions (ability of WI Dot to plow) in WI or any where in the Great Lakes region?

I drove a 3/4 ton company van back in the 90’s, through upstate NYS winters and never had a problem.


I’ve used a lot of outhouses and wiped with leaves or my t shirt pocket before too. But I’d prefer a nice flush toilet and some Charmin.
Same difference…

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