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blt2ski
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To shiners point, while drivers are over engineered vehicle specs,
MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!!!!
They are not over the road bed engineered specs that LEO/CVEO's enforce!
That is the real key many of you have to realize. It doesn't matter if BenK has designed the vehicle to go down the road at only 11000 lbs, as long as it meets federal bridge law point load, which engineer BenK designed the road bed/bridge has been designed to handle. It ALL good!
If said 11000 lb gvw vehicle, does NOT meet the road engineer specs, then you should plan on getting overload tickets, or be told you can't drive on the road. YES, I can think of some things that would make an 11000 lb vehicle illegal per actual enforced wieght laws! Yet designed to handle being 11000 lb.
Best to know how rules, specs etc work in or out of your favor!
Marty
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spoon059
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blt2ski wrote:Spoon,
The CVEO that taught some weight law classes I took, used a Toyota pickup as an example, but licensed it to 100,000 lbs pulling a trailer, blowing it up as it made the mile after pulling for 10 miles. No law against it!
Marty
Yup. I had a 2010 Tundra (loved it!) with a 7200 lbs GVWR. Maryland only offered 7000 lbs weight rating or 10,000 lbs weight rating. I paid a couple extra dollars and registered my Tundra for 10,000 lbs. I never loaded it to that weight, but it would have been perfectly LEGAL to do so.
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spoon059
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ShinerBock wrote:
WOW! I don't think I have ever been that into an online convo to cuss someone out in a PM.
PM incoming... ![[emoticon]](http://www.rv.net/sharedcontent/cfb/images/wink.gif "wink")
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BenK
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Thought the point if these rv.net forums was to advise those asking for help...not going into the weeds on HOW2 circumvent the OEM ratings...
Of which am likewise guilty...
Came over here while still owning a Suburban forum and many asked about XYZ & ABC, which felt was not applicable to forum members situation
Forum was taken over by spammers and not enough offered to contribute for better software, so shut it down
-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
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blt2ski
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Ben
No one including myself is trying to circumvent manufactures warranty wieght ratings. I'm calling them what they are. Legal ratings are another issue in the works since horse carriages from the early 1800s. Based on....yep, max lbs per inch width of steel rim on a horse carriage. Well before manufacturing orgs as we know them today existed.
When you go from a DOT class say 3 truck, which has a gvwr to fit an emissions rating, same everything else falls in the dot class 4, gvwr is based literally on the sum of the axles. For an additional 2000 lbs..
Many of us will question the manufacturer meanings. Or as soon pointed out, he licensed his midget Toyota at 10k lbs. I'd do that with my 1500 vs his other option of 7000. I can't buy a 7200 plate, choice is even 2000 lb increment. I'm good to 8000. Altho used car dealer was trying to sell get me a 6000. I'm like, uugh no! Legally I need to buy an 8k license. If I bought a 6k, I could only put 600 or so lbs in my truck.min plate is 1.5 time tare to next higher ton. 5400 x 1.5 is actually, 8000. That's what I'm legal too. Sum of axles is 7900.
Even with your ski lift designing. I'd bet at slower speeds you could move more wieght than higher speeds. You have to protect the riders. Road wieght laws protect the road beds, not the idiot at the wheel!
Trust me, an Leo will and can get an unsafe rig off the road, even if under whatever rating you want to use! It WILL hurt your pocket book! It EILL make your insurance go up, and not get renewed!
Being over a manufactures rating may not hit you. If said manufactures rating is OVER an FBL rating, that will net you a hole in your pocket book. Ie run down the road at 20001-25000 lbs on a 25k rated axle. You're over designed road bed limits.
One can't always use design numbers as safe, legal etc.
Unfortunately, with 40 yrs using dot class 1-6 trucks in business, I have figured out what is legal, vs warranty, vs smart too.
OP needs a truck that has 4500 or so payload lbs. Does not matter on badging. How that payload needs to be distributed on the truck, will also matter. I would want a minimum 4000 on RA available. After that, drive train that allows 30% min gradability in 1st gear, enough HP to pull 5-6% freeway grades in the 45-55 range. 45 is max min posted speed I've seen on interstate type roads. Wa st it's 40.
Choose ones poison, more than on way to skin a cat, or clear as mud for OPs question.
Marty
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12 pages and not one comment on "you'll lose your a$$ if you get in a wreck" comment. Unless I missed it, that has to be some sort of a record.
Oh where or where have the internet lawyers gone?
Oh where or where can they be?
Mike
Im Mike Willoughby, and I approve this message.
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Cummins12V98
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millesecond wrote:What the ****!!!!!! I think the answer was on the first page.
Don't you guys camp any more.
This is much less $$$$$$$$$$
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Cummins12V98
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Question, should I follow my 14k GVWR on my 2015 RAM DRW?
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millesecond
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Cummins12V98 wrote:Question, should I follow my 14k GVWR on my 2015 RAM DRW?
Don't hijack this thread, start your own. Haha j/k
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millesecond wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:Question, should I follow my 14k GVWR on my 2015 RAM DRW?
Don't hijack this thread, start your own. Haha j/k
X3 you dingle snort.
Besides, iirc from a post somewhere in the past, you're paying for a 16k plate from good old washtaxington!
Your question is herby dismiss able to this murdurator!
Shame on you!
Back to your hidey hole!!!
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